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Development => Development => Topic started by: BritWeb on July 14, 2019, 01:55:19 pm

Title: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on July 14, 2019, 01:55:19 pm
Hi

I don’t normally visit this thread as I thought this was for developers but the question, ‘Osclass project is dead?’ got me thinking and I have the obligation to join in.

We all know Osclass script is completely free and people download it to their heart content without any need to pay a single dime for it. Just running a single Osclass site involves spending money, time and energy and the returns may be meagre in majority of cases.

Considering the above, Osclass project needs a good team:
   
I am sure everyone here agrees that they run Osclass sites trying to make a few bucks and some merely do it for fun. There are a few guys having their websites selling themes and plugins. The truth is, there is a thriving community that relies on this script and we all should therefore consider ourselves as part of the team and realise if this project shuts down, all our sites and related businesses will be doomed. To my understanding this script is far superior to similar paid scripts out there.

Just to conclude, I would request every Osclass users to fork out a minimum of 10 dollars, whenever they update their existing script or download a fresh copy of this lovely script. It’s not too much to ask and in fact I would welcome if the developers make it compulsory to pay for the upgrades and new downloads. Without much ado, we are willing to pay for good hosting, nice themes and plugins, don’t we?

Sorry if I did upset anyone here; I only spoke my mind. I hope everyone here joins in to keep the project going and make it an outstanding one, just like ‘Wordpress’.

Many thanks
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on July 14, 2019, 02:42:51 pm
Hi!

Read this a couple of times and I must say I agree with you.
In my example, 80% of my freelance projects are Osclass based and 80% of my AdSense income comes from Osclass sites. There is no other (open-source) script like Osclass. Probably there isn't a script with a big community like the Osclass one.

My only request from Osclass Team is the following:
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If you can't maintain Osclass yourself (seems like you can't last a couple of years...), give it to the community. Give forum moderators to the most active supporters on forums. Give Market moderators to the best active developers on the Market. Let us update the GitHub repo.

I can donate, not a problem. But the best way for Osclass Team to earn money is Market. Approve our products. It's a win for everyone.

And it all repeats over and over.

I hope you understood me.

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on July 14, 2019, 05:09:26 pm

Thanks for the understanding, WEBmods

As a community we all have to act fast and bring in some rescue plans before it's too late. Looks like developers are losing interest with this project. Valued forum supporters like teseo and dev101 are nowhere to be seen.


Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on July 14, 2019, 08:11:32 pm
This will be interesting:)
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on July 15, 2019, 02:24:27 pm
Should we try with this? If enough of us sends the mail, they may see it and respond.

(https://i.postimg.cc/HnD67g93/idea.jpg)

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on July 15, 2019, 03:39:34 pm
Good one! I will do it straight away.

Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on July 15, 2019, 05:15:37 pm
Sent.

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on July 16, 2019, 12:25:40 am
Anyone heard about PHPizabi? I did use it for a couple of my dating sites a few years ago. It was apparently started by two guys who later had a falling out and the project was abandoned. This was  before 'facebook' came into existence (or became known to the world). Over the years, I have seen many CMS and dating scripts go.

Osclass was probably started by a group of enthusiasts who after a few years lost interest and went their own way. I don't blame them 'cause people cannot do things for free forever, there got to be an incentive of some sort.

Hence I believe, in order this project to survive the script should be paid for whether it's an update or a new download. Hope everyone in this community agrees with me.

Regards


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Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on July 16, 2019, 01:03:37 pm
I was planning (long ago) to make a user custom fields plugin. I now have a lot of experience and have a plugin that I can use as a base.
I will try to (as soon as I get time) make the plugin and publish it, for FREE on Forums. I think that's a really requested feature and it may bring some people to Osclass.
Even if I would want to earn money from it, Market wouldn't approve it.

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on July 16, 2019, 04:37:36 pm
Aficionado is no longer in these forums? He was the most active user in my opinion:).
Calin Behtuk, Patrik from Croatia also were active after Teseo "left". And many others. Who is still providing code solutions in the forums nowadays?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on July 16, 2019, 10:31:32 pm
Aficionado is no longer in these forums? He was the most active user in my opinion:).
Calin Behtuk, Patrik from Croatia also were active after Teseo "left". And many others. Who is still providing code solutions in the forums nowadays?

I didn't saw him for a long time. Is it possible he got a ban or something? I think I can't find him on the member list.
@calinbehtuk is still here I believe, just not active a lot.

And for those who didn't notice, I am patrickFromCroatia. Just changed my name to the one from Market. ;)

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on July 16, 2019, 10:36:57 pm
I just spotted this on one of my posts in Jobs section:

« Last Edit: 14-05-2019, 09:42:07 by oribas »

Edit by 'oribas', but the post is mine. So is that guy a moderator? If mods are here why is no one responding???

Regards.

EDITED: I checked, it's an admin.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on July 16, 2019, 10:52:31 pm
Investigating the admins more, @garciademarina and @_CONEJO were last online 1 month ago.
However, @teseo's last visit was 1 year ago. :/

About @Aficionado, he is marked as a guest, not a member. Looks like a ban to me.

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Resta on July 17, 2019, 11:10:40 am
Hi All,

I have thought about making similar post like Britweb for the last few months urging community to start a fund drive or something but then to me it seemed like it is already too late as I think the original developers have moved on to some other things and I didn't think it would help. To me it looks like the project has been dead for almost an year as there have been no posts by any osclass team member not just here but also at github - they used to at least respond at github regarding issues and one could see the timeline on some of the issues.  Additionally, there have been no updates in the market for almost a year and they did the last market update after some users complained about their plugins on hold since 2017 - that to me was an indication that they probably have given up on this and have moved on to other things. I don't think make much money from plugins or marketplace which helps them to pay the bills and if they do not have the time, personnel or resources then they can just let the plugin market to the developers and users to handle - let users and plugin developers deal with each other and they can focus on writing/updating the script and charge a small fee for all downloads, it may help.

I think many of us would gladly pay a small fee as Britweb suggested if only osclass developers would come out and state exactly what their goals are and what they want from the community in order to keep the project going.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on July 17, 2019, 12:11:30 pm

Nice reply, @Resta

For a start, forum Administrator could make this topic sticky giving it the maximum exposure on the forum. The whole Osclass community should realise how serious the situation is at the moment.

Also as @WEBmods suggested, Osclasser's should email this topic to the developers.


Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on July 17, 2019, 09:45:56 pm
Osclass is not dead. If someone wants to use it, he can. It's an opportunity to learn php by changing its core to do what the owner wants to, at least that's what I did.

Osclass will be dead only if this forum disappears.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on July 18, 2019, 01:06:55 am
Osclass is not dead. If someone wants to use it, he can. It's an opportunity to learn php by changing its core to do what the owner wants to, at least that's what I did.

Osclass will be dead only if this forum disappears.

I quite agree with you @marius-ciclistu

Yes, one can learn php using this script or tweak it and call it their own but those who are not into programming to that level will have hard time if the script needed security updates to protect their websites from vulnerability issues.

All we need is regular security updates and functionality enhancement just as it happens with Wordpress.


Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: p206ab on July 23, 2019, 04:56:24 pm
If someone didn't notice in the other topic:
https://forums.osclass.org/themes/osclasswizards-free-responsive-bootstrap-theme/1035/

OsclassWizards team, who made probably one of the most used themes apart from default Bender, decided to leave Osclass development and focus on other projects. And who could blame them...
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on July 23, 2019, 07:20:24 pm
I don't get it. Isn't the last version of osclass ok?  If someone wants more he can modify the core or hire a dev to do it. What is the big issue here? And don't tell me that security updates etc.
Stop complaining and use osclass as it is. The devs stoped working on it because it stoped generating enough income for them. That does not mean it's a bad script.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: nightfly13 on July 23, 2019, 09:05:41 pm
Yes.. Its a very, very nice script...

But with the speed of internet very fast become a useless script in no development was made...

So, for what I understand it's a death project, no active development... No future, correct????

and the peoples who bought plugins and themes from the market, and now can't get the updated version???? This is a waste of money, correct????



Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on July 23, 2019, 10:39:46 pm
It is a good start for someone who wants to use it and NOT buy plugins for it. If you want to buy, you will never stop buying devs time to maintain it, and when you will stop, the actual situation will happen.

So use it as it is as long as it is still available together with the content of this forum.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: nightfly13 on July 24, 2019, 12:23:56 am
We should listen what osClass team have to say....

osClass team should write something and clarify the situation...

They finish completely all activity regarding osClass??
They will kept the forum & Site???

In my opinion this need to be clarified by osClass team for each of us take our one decisions.. This is  the minimum osClass team should make for us...

Best Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 06, 2019, 02:39:07 pm
So, any news about all that ?

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on August 06, 2019, 10:56:29 pm
So, any news about all that ?

Makes me wonder if any of the developers ever visit this forum anymore.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 10:08:26 pm
So, any news about all that ?

Makes me wonder if any of the developers ever visit this forum anymore.

Nothing changed after my post:

Investigating the admins more, @garciademarina and @_CONEJO were last online 1 month ago.
However, @teseo's last visit was 1 year ago. :/

About @Aficionado, he is marked as a guest, not a member. Looks like a ban to me.

Regards.

Osclass Team wake up!

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 07, 2019, 10:59:10 pm
Osclass Market will be shut down on September 5th:

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Dear Osclass Market User,

We regret to inform you that the Osclass Market will be closing permanently on September 5th. As of that date, your Market account will no longer be accessible, and you will not be able to download any purchases. Please access your account (market.osclass.org/user/login) and go to My Downloads and My Purchases to download all of your products by September 5th.

If you have any support threads currently open, please contact us at info@osclass.org to facilitate communication with the developer.

Thank you for being with us throughout the years. We are sorry for any inconvenience that the Osclass Market closure may cause you.

Osclass Team


I wonder what will happen to domain and forum in a near future, because forum holds great information about many things etc.
Maybe it can be transferred to some free forum hosting platforms, however, in most such cases, permalinks will be dead.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 07, 2019, 11:07:24 pm
Osclass is not dead. If someone wants to use it, he can. It's an opportunity to learn php by changing its core to do what the owner wants to, at least that's what I did.

Osclass will be dead only if this forum disappears.
One tiny little problem with above is that languages and geo data are pulled from Osclass domain during installation. Of course, anyone with database backup and such is fine (data is already present), but new installations will be "blank" (e.g. no other languages or geo locations can be pulled if the domain expires). If that changes in some last release, to be self contained package, then it may be OK.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:09:07 pm
I have just seen the mail... No comment.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:10:22 pm
I am about to go download all free plugins from Market and post them on a topic here.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:12:52 pm
Is anyone interested in making a new site for plugins, a new Market? I can help with development, hosting, everything. We need a new site for this... Maybe we can aswell download all locations and languages and publish them.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 07, 2019, 11:17:00 pm
So if i understand it correctly, the whole project is shutting down.

And what will become this script ? Should we look for something else or what ?

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 07, 2019, 11:17:36 pm
The forum is the biggest loss... I don't think that osclass would agree on donating the forum with its content...
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 07, 2019, 11:18:18 pm

I wonder what will happen to domain and forum in a near future, because forum holds great information about many things etc.
Maybe it can be transferred to some free forum hosting platforms, however, in most such cases, permalinks will be dead.

Well, the forum could become READ ONLY and be hosted somewhere else (cheaper) i guess.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:18:33 pm
The forum is the biggest loss... I don't think that osclass would agree on donating the forum with its content...

They never said that forum will die, right?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 07, 2019, 11:19:45 pm
The forum is the biggest loss... I don't think that osclass would agree on donating the forum with its content...

They never said that forum will die, right?

If the domain expires...
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 07, 2019, 11:20:35 pm

One tiny little problem with above is that languages and geo data are pulled from Osclass domain during installation. Of course, anyone with database backup and such is fine (data is already present), but new installations will be "blank" (e.g. no other languages or geo locations can be pulled if the domain expires). If that changes in some last release, to be self contained package, then it may be OK.

Isn't Osclass script "tied" with the Market ? I mean it depends on it ?

What will happen if Market is closed ? Will the script continue to work, or not ?

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:21:15 pm
Can we all send them emails and see if they respond? Someone can buy the domain and host from them... Or at least get data and publish on another domain.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 07, 2019, 11:21:27 pm
I hope (for the time being) that this only affects Market, since it requires effort to run it (billing, payments processing, monitoring etc.). Forum can be left, as long as the domain/hosting lives. It is all unclear right now for how long, though. GitHub project can live as long as GitHub platform is aroung (no reason to delete the repo from there imho).
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:22:17 pm

One tiny little problem with above is that languages and geo data are pulled from Osclass domain during installation. Of course, anyone with database backup and such is fine (data is already present), but new installations will be "blank" (e.g. no other languages or geo locations can be pulled if the domain expires). If that changes in some last release, to be self contained package, then it may be OK.

Isn't Osclass script "tied" with the Market ? I mean it depends on it ?

What will happen if Market is closed ? Will the script continue to work, or not ?

It's a simple fix. There's been a topic somewhere...
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 07, 2019, 11:22:27 pm
Can we all send them emails and see if they respond? Someone can buy the domain and host from them... Or at least get data and publish on another domain.
I doubt they'll respond on individual requests at this moment. It will all be announced officially soon, hopefully.
And, for legal reasons, I doubt it will be allowed to have that same name for some time, I mean, if you go partially commercial etc. But, that is only a technicality.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:24:09 pm
Can we all send them emails and see if they respond? Someone can buy the domain and host from them... Or at least get data and publish on another domain.
I doubt they'll respond on individual requests at this moment. It will all be announced officially soon, hopefully.

I can't wait for them to say more details, yet I'm so scared.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 07, 2019, 11:24:51 pm
I discussed this end 1or 2 years ago and I said that giants like olx etc will not allow a free script to endanger their bussines. If this is the case, then the forum will not be shared/donated etc.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 07, 2019, 11:25:20 pm

One tiny little problem with above is that languages and geo data are pulled from Osclass domain during installation. Of course, anyone with database backup and such is fine (data is already present), but new installations will be "blank" (e.g. no other languages or geo locations can be pulled if the domain expires). If that changes in some last release, to be self contained package, then it may be OK.

Isn't Osclass script "tied" with the Market ? I mean it depends on it ?

What will happen if Market is closed ? Will the script continue to work, or not ?

It's a simple fix. There's been a topic somewhere...

Of course it will work. The communication part is mostly for banners, Market connection, auto updates etc.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 07, 2019, 11:26:10 pm
Can we all send them emails and see if they respond? Someone can buy the domain and host from them... Or at least get data and publish on another domain.

Who cares about the domain and the forum. The forum will become legacy in a few months (if it is not already).

We care about the Script. If it will be ok to use it for 1-2 years, until we find something else.

Tha funny thing is, i run an Osclass site in my country for 3 years now. BUT never managed it in technical terms. An other webmaster installed it and did all the technical maintenace for 3 years. He was excellent. But 5 months back, he told me he can't continue. And now, here i'm in a situation like this. I have little knowledge for Osclass, i'm a Wordpress guy. And Wordpress plugins for ads suck.

 :'(
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:26:35 pm
Can we use this "https://forums.osclass.org/index.php?wap2" to download everything and eventually publish it somewhere?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:27:32 pm
Can we all send them emails and see if they respond? Someone can buy the domain and host from them... Or at least get data and publish on another domain.

Who cares about the domain and the forum. The forum will become legacy in a few months (if it is not already).

We care about the Script. If it will be ok to use it for 1-2 years, until we find something else.

Tha funny thing is, i run an Osclass site in my country for 3 years now. BUT never managed it in technical terms. An other webmaster installed it and did all the technical maintenace for 3 years. He was excellent. But 5 months back, he told me he can't continue. And now, here i'm in a situation like this. I have little knowledge for Osclass, i'm a Wordpress guy. And Wordpress plugins for ads suck.

 :'(

Not a great time for advertising, but what can I do... I may be able to help you with maintenance.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 07, 2019, 11:27:44 pm
I honestly hope that devs might create another 'final' official release to remove Market parts from admin, and release geo and lang data on public platform like GitHub. That would be really great!
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 07, 2019, 11:27:56 pm


It's a simple fix. There's been a topic somewhere...

Simple ? Ads in Dashboard from the Market, Updates of plugins and themes ?

Not so simple, imho. Still i'm not a programmer.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 07, 2019, 11:28:59 pm
Can we use this "https://forums.osclass.org/index.php?wap2" to download everything and eventually publish it somewhere?
Forum is really huge, not sure about actual database size, but I can bet it is at least few hundreds GB of data, if not TB...
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 07, 2019, 11:29:10 pm


It's a simple fix. There's been a topic somewhere...

Simple ? Ads in Dashboard from the Market, Updates of plugins and themes ?

Not so simple, imho. Still i'm not a programmer.
The forum helps in that part.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:29:16 pm
I honestly hope that devs might create another 'final' official release to remove Market parts from admin, and release geo and lang data on public platform like GitHub. That would be really great!

Speaking of Github, which I ain't really into... Can I publish all the free plugins and themes I am currently downloading from market there?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 07, 2019, 11:30:09 pm
Yes, of course you can. There are tutorials that will show you how to do it in just few minutes from your browser alone (if you don't wish to download their GitHub client).
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:30:39 pm
I guess it's better to upload there than on Google Drive.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 07, 2019, 11:31:38 pm

Speaking of Github, which I ain't really into... Can I publish all the free plugins and themes I am currently downloading from market there?

Are we allowed to do that ? I mean get all free plugins and themes and upload it somewhere ?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:32:38 pm
They're free and open-source.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:35:28 pm
I will post stuff here: https://github.com/webmods-croatia/love-osclass
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 07, 2019, 11:36:41 pm
I guess it's better to upload there than on Google Drive.
Start with: https://github.com/new
Then, once you create a repo, click on a button "Upload new files", and just follow it from there. Couldn't be any simpler for that part, at least.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:37:42 pm
I guess it's better to upload there than on Google Drive.
Start with: https://github.com/new
Then, once you create a repo, click on a button "Upload new files", and just follow it from there. Couldn't be any simpler for that part, at least.

Got it, thanks. :)
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 07, 2019, 11:44:50 pm
I guess a lot of people are on the Market. It's SLOOOOW.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Kean on August 08, 2019, 12:04:17 am
It would be really nice if Osclass team would make a statement over the situation they are facing.
There are quite a lot of members and I am sure a solution could be found, be it a financial of technical issue.

The important thing would be to communicate.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 12:06:11 am
It would be really nice if Osclass team would make a statement over the situation they are facing.
There are quite a lot of members and I am sure a solution could be found, be it a financial of technical issue.

The important thing would be to communicate.

Fully agree. However, I'm preparing for the worst.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 12:22:10 am
If anyone is interested in contributing, make a pull request on https://github.com/webmods-croatia/love-osclass/, add what you want and I'll merge it.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: calinbehtuk on August 08, 2019, 12:23:55 am
I think we all know that this was inevitable!
The lack of interest from the Osclass team was the signal that this was a dead project on their part. I still see a good script that can be used for classified sites, but the time will tell.
I think the future will bring the close of this forum. So regards! We had a long way! ;)
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Web-Media on August 08, 2019, 12:26:19 am
I'm working on a modifed version of osclass. So far so good.. reduced memory usage and timing on 50%. We can have a better script than original osclass . A lot of  core changes .. but worth the effort.  Available soon .
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 12:27:52 am
I'm working on a modifed version of osclass. So far so good.. reduced memory usage and timing on 50%. We can have a better script than original osclass . A lot of  core changes .. but worth the effort.  Available soon .

This is awesome! Got it on Github to check it out?

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 12:28:38 am
I think we all know that this was inevitable!
The lack of interest from the Osclass team was the signal that this was a dead project on their part. I still see a good script that can be used for classified sites, but the time will tell.
I think the future will bring the close of this forum. So regards! We had a long way! ;)

Don't give up just yet... ;)
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 12:47:17 am
Any faster way to download this "https://geo.osclass.org/downloads/" than clicking on one by one?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on August 08, 2019, 12:48:54 am
I will post stuff here: https://github.com/webmods-croatia/love-osclass

I already see that you set out to help the community. It's nice to have them all in one place. Good Job! Keep it up.

I am going to download onto my hard drive as much as I could from the Osclass Marketplace. My only concern is that without this forum, support will be lost for this script unless someone comes forward to establish a similar forum.


Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on August 08, 2019, 12:50:39 am
I'm working on a modifed version of osclass. So far so good.. reduced memory usage and timing on 50%. We can have a better script than original osclass . A lot of  core changes .. but worth the effort.  Available soon .

This will be interesting.


Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 12:51:43 am
I will post stuff here: https://github.com/webmods-croatia/love-osclass

I already see that you set out to help the community. It's nice to have them all in one place. Good Job! Keep it up.

I am going to download onto my hard drive as much as I could from the Osclass Marketplace. My only concern is that without this forum, support will be lost for this script unless someone comes forward to establish a similar forum.


Regards

I am trying to do as much as I can. I have 2 Osclass sites and I maintain and make plugins for a lot of Osclass sites...

If they decide to take the forum down, we can together make a new one... It's not a hard job.

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 08, 2019, 12:54:59 am
Any faster way to download this "https://geo.osclass.org/downloads/" than clicking on one by one?
You could parse the html with php and download it all at once automatically. Or, extract all .sql links and use download manager.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 12:56:48 am
Any faster way to download this "https://geo.osclass.org/downloads/" than clicking on one by one?
You could parse the html with php and download it all at once automatically. Or, extract all .sql links and use download manager.

I thought of that but once I seen how quickly it downloads I started manually, 70% done.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 12:59:34 am
I don't think they will shut down the forum soon. That would not be appropriate.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 12:59:45 am
All locations added.

Next step will be to copy all pages from Osclass documentation. Especially the one about installing themes, plugins, languages, and locations.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 01:00:52 am
I don't think they will shut down the forum soon. That would not be appropriate.

You never know... We all hope they won't.

Damn, I hate this "last reply was 30 secs ago".
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 01:03:10 am
Can someone find the topic about removing ties from Osclass site to Market? I knew they talked how the site was slow and the solution was to remove Market code.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: pixelpadre on August 08, 2019, 01:04:26 am
I discussed this end 1or 2 years ago and I said that giants like olx etc will not allow a free script to endanger their bussines. If this is the case, then the forum will not be shared/donated etc.

These giants of innovation are literally dying and leaving giant voids as talent and documentation fade away.  This is a trend that many of us already are aware of.  Anything open source is like tumbleweed blowing in the dust.  Big business does not need to buy up any these innovations.  They nearly need to play the waiting game.  Many of these programmers started with basic html skills.  Virtually anyone could start up a script with little skill.  But after 20 years the entire internetscape has become unrecognizable as hackers see how easy it is to take down the majority of websites.  Big business is rounding up phd's to handle their long term corporate website planning.  Years ago, one guy could know everything.  Now, you need one guy for every aspect of an e commerce website.  ie...SSL. php, mysql, css, apache, firewalls, encryption, two step authentication, ipv6, the list goes on and on and on.  One guy cant do it all anymore.

Places like Zencart have lost many of their founders to age and sickness.  Centos CWP forum is dead, one post every couple of days.  And if you havent heard, the founder of OpenClipArt.org was murdered by the Syrian regime. So Openclipart is now dead for entirely different reasons than the normal reasons.

The future of the internet is not so Rosie in my humble opinion.  Just as in the social world, there will be the haves and the havenots.  The bloom has fallen off the rose for sure.  Places like FB are the real threat for classifieds software.  I use FB marketplace way more than anywhere else.  Not many people are even aware of Marketplace.   So they (FB) will experience tremendous growth in the years ahead. 

And all of my best case scenarios are based on a global growth assumption.  If war, or recessions start happening then the internet will really suffer.

Even the big fortune 500 companies will face extreme shortages in talent. 

The end of osclass is just the beginning.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 01:07:57 am
I don't think they will shut down the forum soon. That would not be appropriate.

You never know... We all hope they won't.

Damn, I hate this "last reply was 30 secs ago".

I mean, they will not suddenly close it. As i said they could make it READ ONLY and put it somewhere for a couple years. After 2 years there will be of no value.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: pixelpadre on August 08, 2019, 01:08:48 am
I will post stuff here: https://github.com/webmods-croatia/love-osclass

I already see that you set out to help the community. It's nice to have them all in one place. Good Job! Keep it up.

I am going to download onto my hard drive as much as I could from the Osclass Marketplace. My only concern is that without this forum, support will be lost for this script unless someone comes forward to establish a similar forum.


Regards

I am trying to do as much as I can. I have 2 Osclass sites and I maintain and make plugins for a lot of Osclass sites...

If they decide to take the forum down, we can together make a new one... It's not a hard job.

Regards.

So you want to start a new forum?  Whats the point? NONE of the posts on the forum today are even replied to.  The forum is dead and there is no point in even thing about bringing out the paddles.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 01:11:26 am
Can someone find the topic about removing ties from Osclass site to Market? I knew they talked how the site was slow and the solution was to remove Market code.

I guess (!!!) Osclass Team will have the last word on that, as dev101 posted above. A final stripped Osclass release.

Or a programmer that knows Osclass could do it.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 01:13:52 am
I will post stuff here: https://github.com/webmods-croatia/love-osclass

I already see that you set out to help the community. It's nice to have them all in one place. Good Job! Keep it up.

I am going to download onto my hard drive as much as I could from the Osclass Marketplace. My only concern is that without this forum, support will be lost for this script unless someone comes forward to establish a similar forum.


Regards

I am trying to do as much as I can. I have 2 Osclass sites and I maintain and make plugins for a lot of Osclass sites...

If they decide to take the forum down, we can together make a new one... It's not a hard job.

Regards.

So you want to start a new forum?  Whats the point? NONE of the posts on the forum today are even replied to.  The forum is dead and there is no point in even thing about bringing out the paddles.

NONE? I am checking the forum every day, trying to reply as much as I can... I can't reply to every topic.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 01:15:06 am


So you want to start a new forum?  Whats the point? NONE of the posts on the forum today are even replied to.  The forum is dead and there is no point in even thing about bringing out the paddles.

So true. What is needed is not a forum like this but a place (a forum, haha) that will gather people that care to have this project alive for a while, until the next step. Osclass or something else.

Also running a forum is not that easy. Install a forum ? yes. Running / maintaining / paying for a forum is not an easy and cheap task.

 
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 01:15:54 am
https://github.com/webmods-croatia/love-osclass/wiki/ - documentation taken from osclass.org will be added here.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 08, 2019, 01:18:42 am
Can someone find the topic about removing ties from Osclass site to Market? I knew they talked how the site was slow and the solution was to remove Market code.
It is really easy, but... for the time being I'll simply wait with that step. First, GitHub repo resolution, then mods etc.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 01:19:05 am
Can someone find the topic about removing ties from Osclass site to Market? I knew they talked how the site was slow and the solution was to remove Market code.
It is really easy, but... for the time being I'll simply wait with that step. First, GitHub repo resolution, then mods etc.

Ok. :)
Title: short list of Google projects that died.
Post by: pixelpadre on August 08, 2019, 01:20:52 am
https://killedbygoogle.com/

This is just one of the companies out there that had to shutdown projects for lack of sufficient developers.

Think about all of the other small fish in the pond.  They wont make it.

Developers make the big mistake of making their work to complex for the general public at large to implement.

Developers assume that just because they are learning every day that so are all of the secretaries, office managers and grandparents are learning too.  Thats a bigass assumption.  Secretaries, office managers and grandparents will be just as stupid in the next 20 years as they are today.
Title: Re: short list of Google projects that died.
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 01:30:55 am
https://killedbygoogle.com/

This is just one of the companies out there that had to shutdown projects for lack of sufficient developers.

Think about all of the other small fish in the pond.  They wont make it.

Developers make the big mistake of making their work to complex for the general public at large to implement.

Developers assume that just because they are learning every day that so are all of the secretaries, office managers and grandparents are learning too.  Thats a bigass assumption.  Secretaries, office managers and grandparents will be just as stupid in the next 20 years as they are today.

But from what i understand (reading here), the main problem of Osclass is not that. I have no idea what actually is.

Also why anyone from Osclass is not providing some information about all that ?

Personally i will start searching for an alternative, probably under Wordpress (because i do know Wordpress).
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 08, 2019, 01:33:10 am
A good positive news for now, this is what I received as a Developer. Good part is in blue color:

Quote
Dear Osclass Market Developer,

We regret to inform you that the Osclass Market will be closing down on September 5th. As of that date, Market developer accounts will not be accessible. Pending sales will be settled in the upcoming months. In the event that you have support threads currently open with your users, if they request it, we will provide your email address so they can contact you. If you prefer we provide a different address for support, please reply to this email.

We would like to thank you for your effort and the trust you put in this project throughout the years. Unfortunately, we have not been able to turn this venture into a profitable business. Osclass, as a free software project, will be accessible and open to everyone as before, so we encourage you to continue developing plugins and themes for all of the users who still rely on our script.

We apologize for any inconvenience that the Osclass Market closure may cause you.

Osclass Team


So, the project will be available (on GitHub), not sure about website and forums, though.
Title: Re: short list of Google projects that died.
Post by: calinbehtuk on August 08, 2019, 01:34:27 am
Also why anyone from Osclass is not providing some information about all that ?

Quote
We would like to thank you for your effort and the trust you put in this project throughout the years. Unfortunately, we have not been able to turn this venture into a profitable business. Osclass, as a free software project, will be accessible and open to everyone as before, so we encourage you to continue developing plugins and themes for all of the users who still rely on our script.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 01:35:00 am
A good positive news for now, this is what I received as a Developer. Good part is in blue color:

Quote
Dear Osclass Market Developer,

We regret to inform you that the Osclass Market will be closing down on September 5th. As of that date, Market developer accounts will not be accessible. Pending sales will be settled in the upcoming months. In the event that you have support threads currently open with your users, if they request it, we will provide your email address so they can contact you. If you prefer we provide a different address for support, please reply to this email.

We would like to thank you for your effort and the trust you put in this project throughout the years. Unfortunately, we have not been able to turn this venture into a profitable business. Osclass, as a free software project, will be accessible and open to everyone as before, so we encourage you to continue developing plugins and themes for all of the users who still rely on our script.

We apologize for any inconvenience that the Osclass Market closure may cause you.

Osclass Team


So, the website and forums will be available for the time being.

Interesting.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 08, 2019, 01:36:14 am
/* I have edited my remark about website and forums - there is no clear indication about it though */
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 01:37:01 am
Yes, they don't tell anything about what will happen with the sites...
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 08, 2019, 01:54:40 am
Well, I expect then that Osclass Team will soon make an official announcement here in the forums, so we'll get all the answers.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 01:58:11 am
I added Wiki on the repo with a tutorial on how to import locations and hook list which is very precious to me... ;)

I'm done for today. Now we wait for their reply and then I'll see do I need to add anything else.

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: navjottomer on August 08, 2019, 02:03:32 am
I hope that closing down thing will only be limited to osclass market and not all osclass community. Btw I have also maintained a separate forked osclass repo at https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass (https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass). I have done lots of work on this in past but due to not that much response from the community, I stalled it further. I request all other devs to merge their project or add a pull request if they are interested. Together we can make this situation better.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 02:06:39 am
I hope that closing down thing will only be limited to osclass market and not all osclass community. Btw I have also maintained a separate forked osclass repo at https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass (https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass). I have done lots of work on this in past but due to not that much response from the community, I stalled it further. I request all other devs to merge their project or add a pull request if they are interested. Together we can make this situation better.

Interesting... This situation may make us stronger, and Osclass better.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 08, 2019, 02:11:38 am
@ navjottomer

In my opinion, all those forks (there were at least one or two more) were doomed in a way right from the start, as long as the official one is/was present. I, for one, never wanted to invest a limited time to some other forks I wasn't sure they'll live. I've made some minor PRs in the meantime to the official one.

On the other side, once and if this transition happens, e.g. Osclass Team adds other devs to the project with ownership right, so that they can make PRs and merge them directly into, we can then start maintaining it forward. I wonder why there was never an open question for help, I also wanted few times to offer help (for free), when I was most active, yet... I did not. And it was never asked.

In any case, hopefully it will be all clear in a day or two.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: cartagena68 on August 08, 2019, 02:25:43 am
We would like to thank you for your effort and the trust you put in this project throughout the years. Unfortunately, we have not been able to turn this venture into a profitable business.
Osclass, as a free software project, will be accessible and open to everyone as before, so we encourage you to continue developing plugins and themes for all of the users who still rely on our script.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: navjottomer on August 08, 2019, 02:29:19 am
@dev101
I agree with you. I offered them the help and I originally maintained that fork for the same reason but seeing that they are not entertaining any existing pull request from a long time and I stopped there.
I still do maintain a customised copy of osclass for my website tuffclassified.com for which I initially started to use osclass.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: navjottomer on August 08, 2019, 02:35:31 am
We would like to thank you for your effort and the trust you put in this project throughout the years. Unfortunately, we have not been able to turn this venture into a profitable business.
Osclass, as a free software project, will be accessible and open to everyone as before, so we encourage you to continue developing plugins and themes for all of the users who still rely on our script.
Thanks for the info. But I am still confused, will this project move further bypassing the osclass market thing? In the last 1-2 year, nothing really happened with the core osclass script, I hope this will not continue and all focus will again be on osclass.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dis on August 08, 2019, 03:15:58 am
I hope this will not continue and all focus will again be on osclass.
That would be great. But it is hard to believe in it.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Resta on August 08, 2019, 03:34:50 am
Hi Patrick,

Is anyone interested in making a new site for plugins, a new Market? I can help with development, hosting, everything. We need a new site for this... Maybe we can aswell download all locations and languages and publish them.

I don't understand - if you can help with development, hosting, everything - then please clarify what else is left to do or what you need from us? If you are just asking if anyone is interested at all - in that case, yes I am interested and I assume many users are too.

You have already done a great job with all the free plugins by posting them on github and if you want to create a new market, that is great too but if creating a market is a harder task then may I ask (before the osclass market is shut down) would it be possible to make a website that will have information about all the paid plugins. So, basically it is not a marketplace and no ecommerce but just a place to see what plugins are available for purchase and where they can purchase it from ie. each item will provide a link or contact information of the developer where users can purchase it from.  Perhaps use osclass script to create a website and get all information from market regarding existing paid plugins - then any visitor can fill in the contact form on the item page and it will get emailed to the developer and from that point the user will deal with the developer to purchase the script or for any support. Developers can also later submit any information on new plugins to this osclass website.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 11:04:49 am
@Resta, we we will wait if Osclass will give us more details.
If I actually start a Market, it won't be like Osclass one in terms of paying and payouts. All buyers would add a Paypal button and handle the transactions. The Market would just be a list of all products...

The idea about paid plugins is great, but many developers are not active anymore and won't reply. What do others think?

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on August 08, 2019, 11:50:12 am
@Resta, we we will wait if Osclass will give us more details.
If I actually start a Market, it won't be like Osclass one in terms of paying and payouts. All buyers would add a Paypal button and handle the transactions. The Market would just be a list of all products...

The idea about paid plugins is great, but many developers are not active anymore and won't reply. What do others think?

Regards.

I guess, a site similar to what Wordpress had structured would be a simple solution without much of a hassle. Please have a look at the following:

https://wordpress.org/support/forums/
https://wordpress.org/themes/
https://wordpress.org/plugins/

This way users can be directed straight to developers' sites to download free/paid themes and plugins.


Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: joecoolll on August 08, 2019, 11:52:14 am
I will be using osclass for the rest of my life, i'll always be here to support it as much as i can with whoever continues it.





count me in

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 11:59:27 am
@Resta, we we will wait if Osclass will give us more details.
If I actually start a Market, it won't be like Osclass one in terms of paying and payouts. All buyers would add a Paypal button and handle the transactions. The Market would just be a list of all products...

The idea about paid plugins is great, but many developers are not active anymore and won't reply. What do others think?

Regards.

I guess, a site similar to what Wordpress had structured would be a simple solution without much of a hassle. Please have a look at the following:

https://wordpress.org/support/forums/
https://wordpress.org/themes/
https://wordpress.org/plugins/

This way users can be directed straight to developers' sites to download free/paid themes and plugins.


Regards

Yes, something like that. I already have free plugins and themes hosted so I can just put links to them...

@Resta asked what do I need from all you...

Depending on the site visits, I would maybe need a better hosting than my VPS (which hosts one site currently). Maybe some of you people has a hosting company?
I can pay for the domain (let's see what will happen with osclass domains) - we can pick one together.
Development - I am looking at a simple Osclass site - just adding some more fields at registration and ad post.
Moderators - this is where a lot of people can contribute. I give you a moderator account (I guess admin too) so you check for spam etc. when you have time.

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 12:02:34 pm
I will be using osclass for the rest of my life, i'll always be here to support it as much as i can with whoever continues it.





count me in

 ;D
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: buninsan on August 08, 2019, 12:23:50 pm
Sorry for my English.
Anyone can get sick, abyss, die.
Therefore, we need a team, only in this case we can count on the fact that the project will not die.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 12:26:10 pm
I see some interest here from a few developers, but not from people who actually uses Osclass for a production website.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 12:26:57 pm
@Resta, we we will wait if Osclass will give us more details.
If I actually start a Market, it won't be like Osclass one in terms of paying and payouts. All buyers would add a Paypal button and handle the transactions. The Market would just be a list of all products...

The idea about paid plugins is great, but many developers are not active anymore and won't reply. What do others think?

Regards.

I guess, a site similar to what Wordpress had structured would be a simple solution without much of a hassle. Please have a look at the following:

https://wordpress.org/support/forums/
https://wordpress.org/themes/
https://wordpress.org/plugins/

This way users can be directed straight to developers' sites to download free/paid themes and plugins.


Regards
are your offer to do all in WP?
what is size of all free plugins and themes?
i have good VPS and nice domain name
osc4u.com

It's a site for Osclass. I want it to be in Osclass. It makes sense.

Free plugins on themes are on Github and we can just link them.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 12:28:24 pm
I see some interest here from a few developers, but not from people who actually uses Osclass for a production website.

My site with 100k views a month: zelenioglasnik.com.hr

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 12:37:19 pm
I see some interest here from a few developers, but not from people who actually uses Osclass for a production website.

My site with 100k views a month: zelenioglasnik.com.hr

Regards.

Sure but look at this topic, 10 people participate, most of them developers.

Where are the real users of Osclass ? Osclass sent thousands of emails about Market to shut down, still where are those people who got it ?

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 12:42:10 pm
I see some interest here from a few developers, but not from people who actually uses Osclass for a production website.

My site with 100k views a month: zelenioglasnik.com.hr

Regards.

Sure but look at this topic, 10 people participate, most of them developers.

Where are the real users of Osclass ? Osclass sent thousands of emails about Market to shut down, still where are those people who got it ?

I talked to a few guys that I work for, only one of them posted in this topic, others are waiting to see what will Osclass say about forums.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 01:00:21 pm


I talked to a few guys that I work for, only one of them posted in this topic, others are waiting to see what will Osclass say about forums.

What is that fixation about the forums ? The real problem is if Osclass script will be able to survive the next 1-2 years.

The real problem are security updates, things that MUST change and/or be updated, not the forums.

There are SO MANY things wrong in that script, that probably when introduced were maistream and ok. Now they are outdated.

Like Country/City/State selection. Everybody uses now Postal Codes.

Like the ability to post ONE ad to several (or all) country/cities/States.

Like a proper 2019 html post editor. Like in Wordpress.

I could make a list with all that ..... This is why i talk about real webmasters participating here.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: safeacid on August 08, 2019, 01:01:59 pm
github not good idea.
in our office it is blocked by paloalto filtering system, it is company policy.
more over this fwall rules are applied in many companies, for some reason.
what I offer domain name and VPS server.

what is the size of all free plugins and themes - any idea?
thanks
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 01:06:25 pm
github not good idea.
in our office it is blocked by paloalto filtering system, it is company policy.
more over this fwall rules are applied in many companies, for some reason.
what I offer domain name and VPS server.

what is the size of all free plugins and themes - any idea?
thanks

GIT is a good idea, IF development will follow. Not for just storage/backup.

For the rest (forum etc etc), NOBODY will trust anyone overtalking that, if random people. NOBODY will invest time if "someone" makes just a forum.

Same for the script. NOBODY will trust to run a script on a production site. Right now Osclass is a team and a company, we know and trust.

Also i see here an other risk: it seems many people will create (or already have created) their own versions or forums and that means that a SPLIT will happen in many places. And that is NOT good for a project. ALL split attempts will not make it. They will die.


Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: safeacid on August 08, 2019, 01:13:29 pm
github not good idea.
in our office it is blocked by paloalto filtering system, it is company policy.
more over this fwall rules are applied in many companies, for some reason.
what I offer domain name and VPS server.

what is the size of all free plugins and themes - any idea?
thanks

GIT is a good idea, IF development will follow. Not for just storage/backup.

For the rest (forum etc etc), NOBODY will trust anyone overtalking that, if random people. NOBODY will invest time if "someone" makes just a forum.

Same for the script. NOBODY will trust to run a script on a production site. Right now Osclass is a team and a company, we know and trust.

Also i see here an other risk: it seems many people will create (or already have created) their own versions or forums and that means that a SPLIT will happen in many places. And that is NOT good for a project. ALL split attempts will not make it. They will die.
this is only talking.
then you need to offer something too.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 01:18:25 pm

this is only talking.
then you need to offer something too.

I'm sorry, i thought this is what we do here, talk.

As for offers (and yours) apparently you have no idea what it would take to takeover THIS forum and HOST it. And maintain it. Your VPS offer, will die in a sec. Right now they are hosted at Amazon.



Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 01:18:32 pm
FORUMS ARE IMPORTANT because of all the solutions to many problems that are posted and because we talk about this. Here. Now.

We must wait for Osclass to say what will happen with forums and what will happen with their Github repo. If they give access to us developers, we can start maintaining and improving it. Otherwise we need to start a new one, because there are a lot of improved versions that are split in a bunch of repos.

github not good idea.
in our office it is blocked by paloalto filtering system, it is company policy.
more over this fwall rules are applied in many companies, for some reason.
what I offer domain name and VPS server.

what is the size of all free plugins and themes - any idea?
thanks


All files I uploaded are only 70MB ( webmods-croatia/love-osclass 67.3 MB ).

The problem is that if you quit from this, you don't pay the domain, or something, all will be lost, while it will be kept on Github.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 01:26:27 pm
As soon as I get time (I'll try this week) I will start making a copy of Market, currently only for free products.

"But why, they're hosted on Github?"

The download links will lead to Github, and if @safeacid can host them, I'll add his download links too.
The main reason for doing it to make it simpler to download and install stuff for less experienced users.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 01:26:30 pm
FORUMS ARE IMPORTANT because of all the solutions to many problems that are posted and because we talk about this. Here. Now.


The most important is what will happen with the script. If it will be continued, updated, improved. And of cource by WHO.

The rest are just technicalities and easy to do/fix.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 01:29:38 pm
Searching Google for "osclass free plugins themes" i see that most free Market plugins and themes are actually available in many different places.

So nothing to worry about lost plugins etc etc.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 01:31:07 pm
FORUMS ARE IMPORTANT because of all the solutions to many problems that are posted and because we talk about this. Here. Now.


The most important is what will happen with the script. If it will be continued, updated, improved. And of cource by WHO.

The rest are just technicalities and easy to do/fix.

@Web-Media, @dev-101, @navjottomer and me. We all said we'll work on it. Some of us already forked Osclass and made it better. Now we will need to, once again WAIT and see what Osclass will say. It would be great if we get permissions to merge their Osclass versions with original Osclass.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: safeacid on August 08, 2019, 01:36:41 pm

this is only talking.
then you need to offer something too.

I'm sorry, i thought this is what we do here, talk.

As for offers (and yours) apparently you have no idea what it would take to takeover THIS forum and HOST it. And maintain it. Your VPS offer, will die in a sec. Right now they are hosted at Amazon.

the hosting can be upgraded as per demand.
domain name can be paid for 10 year for begining..
But do u think the forum will be OFF too?
As far as I understand the topic only about market....isnt?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 01:44:09 pm

the hosting can be upgraded as per demand.
domain name can be paid for 10 year for begining..
But do u think the forum will be OFF too?
As far as I understand the topic only about market....isnt?

Who knows ? There is NO information about what will actually happen to the script. That is the most important.

Still, shuting down Market is a sign, and along with Osclass been abandonware, who knows what will suddenly happen to forums also ?

I guess of mine is is that the Forums will turn to READ ONLY and stay for some years.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: pixelpadre on August 08, 2019, 02:30:55 pm
Once osclass is shut down, I will pull the plug on all of my classified ads websites.  There is no alternative for osclass.  Be prepared to scrap all of your osclass websites.  The truth is, probably 99% of osclass users are not generating any money whatsoever.  That being said, no one will miss osclass.

I will be relieved when I am forced to scrap all of my sites.   Its an effort to keep the classifieds visible.  I spend most of my time trying to find new users.  Thats a full time job.  If I wasnt actively involved everyday, my osclass sites would quickly turn into a ghost town.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 02:34:29 pm
Once osclass is shut down, I will pull the plug on all of my classified ads websites.  There is no alternative for osclass.  Be prepared to scrap all of your osclass websites.  The truth is, probably 99% of osclass users are not generating any money whatsoever.  That being said, no one will miss osclass.

I will be relieved when I am forced to scrap all of my sites.   Its an effort to keep the classifieds visible.  I spend most of my time trying to find new users.  Thats a full time job.  If I wasnt actively involved everyday, my osclass sites would quickly turn into a ghost town.

Why would you? Osclass will still work as it did...

I doubt that 99% doesn't earn anything. As I said previously in this topic, most of my AdSense income comes from my Osclass site with 100-150k views a month. I don't spend much on advertising the site. Only a small campaign on AdWords. Also, 70% of my freelance projects are Osclass based. In fact, I got a mail from one client saying
Quote
Sad to hear that osclass market is going to be closed, I hope you still are planning to work with customers using the platform, we plan to keep on using for now.

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 03:08:16 pm
Not sure if anybody knew that, i didn't. I found it searching for a Wordpress possible alternative in the distant future.

https://wordpress.org/plugins/osclass-classifieds/

Quote
This plugin was closed on May 2, 2019 and is no longer available for download. Reason: Author Request.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 03:28:25 pm
That plugin apparently never worked anyways.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: pixelpadre on August 08, 2019, 04:34:00 pm
Once osclass is shut down, I will pull the plug on all of my classified ads websites.  There is no alternative for osclass.  Be prepared to scrap all of your osclass websites.  The truth is, probably 99% of osclass users are not generating any money whatsoever.  That being said, no one will miss osclass.

I will be relieved when I am forced to scrap all of my sites.   Its an effort to keep the classifieds visible.  I spend most of my time trying to find new users.  Thats a full time job.  If I wasnt actively involved everyday, my osclass sites would quickly turn into a ghost town.

Why would you? Osclass will still work as it did...

I doubt that 99% doesn't earn anything. As I said previously in this topic, most of my AdSense income comes from my Osclass site with 100-150k views a month. I don't spend much on advertising the site. Only a small campaign on AdWords. Also, 70% of my freelance projects are Osclass based. In fact, I got a mail from one client saying
Quote
Sad to hear that osclass market is going to be closed, I hope you still are planning to work with customers using the platform, we plan to keep on using for now.

Regards.

Statistically, if you are getting 10,000 visitors per month, the best you can expect on click thru is 1-2%.  That might buy you a whopper everyday.  Hardly worth the effort. just my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 04:52:10 pm
I see some interest here from a few developers, but not from people who actually uses Osclass for a production website.

My site with 100k views a month: zelenioglasnik.com.hr

Regards.

Nice, still it runs old 3.7.4 and it it hosted on the worst hosting in Europe.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 04:56:31 pm
Once osclass is shut down, I will pull the plug on all of my classified ads websites.  There is no alternative for osclass.  Be prepared to scrap all of your osclass websites.  The truth is, probably 99% of osclass users are not generating any money whatsoever.  That being said, no one will miss osclass.

I will be relieved when I am forced to scrap all of my sites.   Its an effort to keep the classifieds visible.  I spend most of my time trying to find new users.  Thats a full time job.  If I wasnt actively involved everyday, my osclass sites would quickly turn into a ghost town.

Why is that ? Osclass 3.8 can be used for 1-2 years without any problems, unless some huge security issue is reported. I doubt any security will be open, since apparently nobody is interested (everybody is trying to hack Wordpress nowadays).

You have at least a year to decide what to do.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 06:15:50 pm
I see some interest here from a few developers, but not from people who actually uses Osclass for a production website.

My site with 100k views a month: zelenioglasnik.com.hr

Regards.

Nice, still it runs old 3.7.4 and it it hosted on the worst hosting in Europe.

"Old" 3.7.4 works great. I modded the site a lot and I don't need updates. From where did you get the info that my host is worst in Europe? It's based on my country and its one of the cheapest yet best hostings I used.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 06:31:40 pm
From where did you get the info that my host is worst in Europe? It's based on my country and its one of the cheapest yet best hostings I used.

Hetzner .... what can i say, if it works for you, then ok.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 06:34:12 pm
I hope that closing down thing will only be limited to osclass market and not all osclass community. Btw I have also maintained a separate forked osclass repo at https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass (https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass). I have done lots of work on this in past but due to not that much response from the community, I stalled it further. I request all other devs to merge their project or add a pull request if they are interested. Together we can make this situation better.

I'm not a programmer, so please be gentle.

I checked your github work and it seems you have done a LOT of work and then merged also 3.8 ? Am i right ?

Have you tested all that ? Why isn't anyone interested in that work ? It is a huge work ......
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 08:19:21 pm
From where did you get the info that my host is worst in Europe? It's based on my country and its one of the cheapest yet best hostings I used.

Hetzner .... what can i say, if it works for you, then ok.

Hetzner? No? It's Totohost - https://totohost.hr. The data center is in Germany so it might be connected with them...
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 08:23:52 pm

Hetzner? No? It's Totohost - https://totohost.hr. The data center is in Germany so it might be connected with them...

ISP: Hetzner Online AG

varazdin.totohost.hr

Germany, Gunzenhausen, Bayern

It IS Hetzner, apparently some reseller you use. The IPs belong to Hetzner datacenters. You should know that a lot of people block IPs from Hetzner, OVH etc because of attacks.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Saint Michael on August 08, 2019, 08:31:27 pm
Once osclass is shut down, I will pull the plug on all of my classified ads websites.  There is no alternative for osclass.  Be prepared to scrap all of your osclass websites.  The truth is, probably 99% of osclass users are not generating any money whatsoever.  That being said, no one will miss osclass.

I will be relieved when I am forced to scrap all of my sites.   Its an effort to keep the classifieds visible.  I spend most of my time trying to find new users.  Thats a full time job.  If I wasnt actively involved everyday, my osclass sites would quickly turn into a ghost town.

Once, just for the fun and out of curiosity when I had plenty of free time, I replicated Osclass with WordPress and GPL plugins. Most of it was done. Interesting most time went not on functions and options Osclass has. But on blocks, layout and design. Trying to make it not to look alike Osclass theme, layout.

My personal opinion is this way is way more powerful because of WP handling of custom fields, now Gutenberg, filters, actions to extend it, etc. I would advice theoretically allways to start new classifieds script from WordPress scratch, then to continue with Osclass. Bigger community, bigger support, money invested in community is not an issue.

Takes time, it is true. But I think it is more rewarding at the end.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 08:39:12 pm

Once, just for the fun and out of curiosity when I had plenty of free time, I replicated Osclass with WordPress and GPL plugins. Most of it was done. Interesting most time went not on functions and options Osclass has. But on blocks, layout and design. Trying to make it not to look alike Osclass theme, layout.

My personal opinion is this way is way more powerful because of WP handling of custom fields, now Gutenberg, filters, actions to extend it, etc. I would advice theoretically allways to start new classifieds script from WordPress scratch, then to continue with Osclass. Bigger community, bigger support, money invested in community is not an issue.

Takes time, it is true. But I think it is more rewarding at the end.

The PLUS of (trying) to make a Wordpress for classifieds, is the HUGE ammount of plugins for EVERYTHING. Also some great themes that make your site visually appealing. Also you can have a Blog, a Forum, all in one.

BUT, Wordpress is not designed for Classifieds. It can "behave" like a Classifieds but lacks a LOT. Also the 2 plugins for classifieds i found (the most popular) are not good. Nothing not even close to Osclass.

There are some themes for WP that are specific for classifieds, but they are paid and i can't test.

 Also pls do not post Wordpress links etc, they are deleted !
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 08:43:32 pm
https://blog.osclass.org/2012/05/11/osclass-vs-classipress-which-platform-should-you-choose-for-your-classifieds-site/
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 08:51:28 pm
Personally i will get from here

https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass

the 3.8 modified version and try my luck in a demo site. And see how it goes.

I think that would be a good start for all you developers. Why re-invent the wheel ?

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 08, 2019, 08:54:05 pm
WordPress has massive support, that's true. However, out of the box regarding classifieds you really have to pull a lot mods to get what Osclass has out of the box. And then, for everything you need another plugin, since WP is virtually blank slate out of the box. Yes, there are tons of them (and many that you see, are not really free, because advanced features are payed - and for any pro service you need them), but there are compatibility issues sometimes, so you need more time to waste what works with what and so on. And, security related, many of those critical plugins are often hacked and exposed (granted, they eventually get updated, if not abandoned). As in every software, maintenance is the huge part of the deal, whether you'll hire someone, or rely on 3rd parties, that's up to you. I'm not saying WP is a bad idea, just that it has inverted counterpoints when compared to Osclass in many areas. Also, in Osclass you can really do some mods easy with functions etc. In WP not always you can pull it that way, solutions feel 'hacky' at best.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 08, 2019, 09:00:16 pm
Personally i will get from here

https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass

the 3.8 modified version and try my luck in a demo site. And see how it goes.

I think that would be a good start for all you developers. Why re-invent the wheel ?

Sure, but there are also 3.8 PRs that needs to be merged. Also, update core libs, remove old unused code etc. I think Bender theme could be replaced with some other free theme as default, upgraded with jquery and other libs (mostly for security). Also, there needs to be a problem of auto-updating resolved, because, novice users might not be that knowledgeable.

GitHub is not a CDN... but could be used. Also, premium themes and plugins update management -- how will users know? So, you see, "minor" things become complex easily :)
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Saint Michael on August 08, 2019, 09:13:32 pm

Once, just for the fun and out of curiosity when I had plenty of free time, I replicated Osclass with WordPress and GPL plugins. Most of it was done. Interesting most time went not on functions and options Osclass has. But on blocks, layout and design. Trying to make it not to look alike Osclass theme, layout.

My personal opinion is this way is way more powerful because of WP handling of custom fields, now Gutenberg, filters, actions to extend it, etc. I would advice theoretically allways to start new classifieds script from WordPress scratch, then to continue with Osclass. Bigger community, bigger support, money invested in community is not an issue.

Takes time, it is true. But I think it is more rewarding at the end.

The PLUS of (trying) to make a Wordpress for classifieds, is the HUGE ammount of plugins for EVERYTHING. Also some great themes that make your site visually appealing. Also you can have a Blog, a Forum, all in one.

BUT, Wordpress is not designed for Classifieds. It can "behave" like a Classifieds but lacks a LOT. Also the 2 plugins for classifieds i found (the most popular) are not good. Nothing not even close to Osclass.

There are some themes for WP that are specific for classifieds, but they are paid and i can't test.

 Also pls do not post Wordpress links etc, they are deleted !

Maybe I was not clear enough. I made it not from some classifieds plugin (did not even look at them). Took different plugins for whole different purposes, than directly classifieds, and tweaked and adapted them to Osclass replica. And tried not to touch core code of plugins and WP, except for one old, abandoned plugin for valuta conversions directly on site.

I think WooCommerce is bright example. Relatively rich company behind it, it means you can monetize time input. And WooCommerce needs good performance too, so it means WP can deliver it.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 09:49:57 pm
WordPress has massive support, that's true. However, out of the box regarding classifieds you really have to pull a lot mods to get what Osclass has out of the box. And then, for everything you need another plugin, since WP is virtually blank slate out of the box. Yes, there are tons of them (and many that you see, are not really free, because advanced features are payed - and for any pro service you need them), but there are compatibility issues sometimes, so you need more time to waste what works with what and so on. And, security related, many of those critical plugins are often hacked and exposed (granted, they eventually get updated, if not abandoned). As in every software, maintenance is the huge part of the deal, whether you'll hire someone, or rely on 3rd parties, that's up to you. I'm not saying WP is a bad idea, just that it has inverted counterpoints when compared to Osclass in many areas. Also, in Osclass you can really do some mods easy with functions etc. In WP not always you can pull it that way, solutions feel 'hacky' at best.

The problem is not what you mention above, the problem is that you CAN'T exactly replicate Osclass in WP. You can't. Maybe it is a plugin thing, maybe something else, i dunno. The existing WP plugins just can't. I have even tried some "directory" plugins to turn them to classifieds, the result is poor.

The results are visually great but not good for structure and ads etc etc.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 09:53:37 pm
Personally i will get from here

https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass

the 3.8 modified version and try my luck in a demo site. And see how it goes.

I think that would be a good start for all you developers. Why re-invent the wheel ?

Sure, but there are also 3.8 PRs that needs to be merged. Also, update core libs, remove old unused code etc. I think Bender theme could be replaced with some other free theme as default, upgraded with jquery and other libs (mostly for security). Also, there needs to be a problem of auto-updating resolved, because, novice users might not be that knowledgeable.

GitHub is not a CDN... but could be used. Also, premium themes and plugins update management -- how will users know? So, you see, "minor" things become complex easily :)


I have no idea what 3.8PRs are  :'(

I get what you say, but it is a START.

Next i guess someone must un-dress Osclass 3.8 from Osclass Market / Updates and generally any connection with Osclass servers.

And the rest you say.

But again this guy at the github has done a lot of work already (you seem to be a developer, are his changes good or bad ?).


Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 09:55:47 pm


Maybe I was not clear enough. I made it not from some classifieds plugin (did not even look at them). Took different plugins for whole different purposes, than directly classifieds, and tweaked and adapted them to Osclass replica. And tried not to touch core code of plugins and WP, except for one old, abandoned plugin for valuta conversions directly on site.

I think WooCommerce is bright example. Relatively rich company behind it, it means you can monetize time input. And WooCommerce needs good performance too, so it means WP can deliver it.

Ok, now it is more clear. Without mentioning names and urls, can you give us an example ? What kind of plugins ?

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 08, 2019, 09:57:01 pm
Undressing is a step that is very easy to perform. I am not concerned with that part much. What I am worried about is the update notification process and such, if the script will have some meaningful life. I mean, it can be stripped from that all-together, of course. Navjot's changes are all good, most of them were known bugs/issues reported here and on official GitHub project, no worries.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 10:02:37 pm
Undressing is a step that is very easy to perform. I am not concerned with that part much. What I am worried about is the update notification process and such, if the script will have some meaningful life. I mean, it can be stripped from that all-together, of course. Navjot's changes are all good, most of them were known bugs/issues reported here and on official GitHub project, no worries.

Ok then. Also i see that the theme i use (Osclasswizards) is (or will) be moved to github since apparently they left Osclass business also.

That could also replace Bender. After been improved/changed.

What i see is a lot of work and not sure who will do all that. And why.

Anyway, first we must wait to see (if any) response from Osclass team about all that.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 10:09:59 pm

Hetzner? No? It's Totohost - https://totohost.hr. The data center is in Germany so it might be connected with them...

ISP: Hetzner Online AG

varazdin.totohost.hr

Germany, Gunzenhausen, Bayern

It IS Hetzner, apparently some reseller you use. The IPs belong to Hetzner datacenters. You should know that a lot of people block IPs from Hetzner, OVH etc because of attacks.

Whatever, no problems at all for 7 years already.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 08, 2019, 10:12:23 pm
All this is happening because the script did not produce enough money. So if any of you want to save it to make money, it's a dead end. If you want to save it to build it so it won't need plugins and to have all the funcionalities in it's core then it will survive, but still, will not produce money for the devs.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 10:14:30 pm
Undressing is a step that is very easy to perform. I am not concerned with that part much. What I am worried about is the update notification process and such, if the script will have some meaningful life. I mean, it can be stripped from that all-together, of course. Navjot's changes are all good, most of them were known bugs/issues reported here and on official GitHub project, no worries.

Ok then. Also i see that the theme i use (Osclasswizards) is (or will) be moved to github since apparently they left Osclass business also.

That could also replace Bender. After been improved/changed.

What i see is a lot of work and not sure who will do all that. And why.

Anyway, first we must wait to see (if any) response from Osclass team about all that.

Try to be more positive for once. We can do it...

Why? Because we all love Osclass.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 10:22:22 pm

Try to be more positive for once. We can do it...

Why? Because we all love Osclass.


It is not a matter of positive or negative or pure love. Marius posted above his view.

Anyway, we will se how it goes.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Saint Michael on August 08, 2019, 10:24:19 pm
WordPress has massive support, that's true. However, out of the box regarding classifieds you really have to pull a lot mods to get what Osclass has out of the box. And then, for everything you need another plugin, since WP is virtually blank slate out of the box. Yes, there are tons of them (and many that you see, are not really free, because advanced features are payed - and for any pro service you need them), but there are compatibility issues sometimes, so you need more time to waste what works with what and so on. And, security related, many of those critical plugins are often hacked and exposed (granted, they eventually get updated, if not abandoned). As in every software, maintenance is the huge part of the deal, whether you'll hire someone, or rely on 3rd parties, that's up to you. I'm not saying WP is a bad idea, just that it has inverted counterpoints when compared to Osclass in many areas. Also, in Osclass you can really do some mods easy with functions etc. In WP not always you can pull it that way, solutions feel 'hacky' at best.

The problem is not what you mention above, the problem is that you CAN'T exactly replicate Osclass in WP. You can't. Maybe it is a plugin thing, maybe something else, i dunno. The existing WP plugins just can't. I have even tried some "directory" plugins to turn them to classifieds, the result is poor.

The results are visually great but not good for structure and ads etc etc.

I did it. Just matter of planing and thinking. For examples, Contact form plugin is just that. Use it for classified reporting, contact seller, after registration or not, contact owner od fite, etc. Why not ?
Custom fields, use it for prices, all classified attributes, photos, seller´s map adress, seller´s video(s), etc. Why not ? Unlimited possibilities. Contact seller via integrated comments.
Not everything is of course done with plugins. Plenty of custom functions code, as example code to limit what seller can see and access.

But enough about that. It is not time and place for it. Just mentioned it as own experience that it is possible. It is hard of course, specially first time. Needs pencil and paper, or PC note, and writing all down and planning, to save (first) time.
Just saying it is a bit safer approach, to not end in few years with the same topic as this one, and complaining about Osclass fork gone.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 10:28:20 pm

Try to be more positive for once. We can do it...

Why? Because we all love Osclass.


It is not a matter of positive or negative or pure love. Marius posted above his view.

Anyway, we will se how it goes.

I agree with that and with Marius, but there is no script like Osclass. Yes, you have Wordpress and Joomla, etc, but they're nowhere close to Osclass.
I want to improve it and I want it to last for years to go...

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: nightfly13 on August 08, 2019, 10:39:34 pm
Money is important....

Charge for the script... 25 to 50 Euros it's a reasonable price, Rebuild osclass site and add adsense in all the pages, with a rank of 68,717 for sure will get some ggod revenue from adsense , Get partnership between hosting's company's and osclass, Place on the market just plugins and themes developed by osclass… I saw some developers, continuously producing very nice themes and plugins, and get some revenue from them... Listen the users, improve the script.... If the peoples have a profitable sites using osClass for sure they will by osclass script


Best Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Saint Michael on August 08, 2019, 10:44:14 pm


Maybe I was not clear enough. I made it not from some classifieds plugin (did not even look at them). Took different plugins for whole different purposes, than directly classifieds, and tweaked and adapted them to Osclass replica. And tried not to touch core code of plugins and WP, except for one old, abandoned plugin for valuta conversions directly on site.

I think WooCommerce is bright example. Relatively rich company behind it, it means you can monetize time input. And WooCommerce needs good performance too, so it means WP can deliver it.

Ok, now it is more clear. Without mentioning names and urls, can you give us an example ? What kind of plugins ?

Some of them:

- SyncFields
- Stream
- ACF
- CF7
- Ajax Pagination and Infinite Scroll
- Canvas Image Resize
- Edit Post Expire
- GDPR Plugin
- QR Codes
- Currency Converter (customized core code by me, not original anymore)
- Plugin Organizer, some Minify and cache plugin to give it max performance.
- Regenerate images/thumbnails
- Search & Filter (this one and AFC Pro need paid licences if something more is needed. But so is (was) that with many Osclass good addons)
- Some plugin for User´s Avatars, profile photos.
- WP-PostViews (as help for admins)
- Post Expirator
- Own custom plugin with different code snippets
- Email & Social networks login (any would work)
- Auto Prune Posts
- Some Database cleaner
- Some Google maps plugin that works with custom fields
- Post Meta Revisions (limited to 3 last, to be able to show publicly seller´s last 3 price (mind) changes
- Relevanssi (search index)
- Manual code for custom post types, but there is Pods plugin to make it easier. (Osclass classifieds categories)
This one is really not needed as it is nothing seller is aware of. But makes life of website developer so easy and makes it unlimited with possibilities to extend things in the future without disturbing website and users. Custom attributes per category, User permissions, custom set of custom fields per category, all...

It was before the Gutenberg era. Maybe will have some time in the future to try it with Gutenberg. I am still skinny with Gutenberg coding, have to spend some time learning first.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: nightfly13 on August 08, 2019, 10:58:23 pm
I think osclass team focus since the beginning in selling Plugins and themes from other developpers… With this only get the 10% of margin... Why not develop your own, and only your own... Why I will buy a plugin or theme from a developer in osclass market if I can buy it cheaper, I never saw a message system made by osclass team, I never saw a newsletter system build by osClass team....


Best Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 08, 2019, 11:02:18 pm
I think osclass team focus since the beginning in selling Plugins and themes from other developpers… With this only get the 10% of margin... Why not develop your own, and only your own... Why I will buy a plugin or theme from a developer in osclass market if I can buy it cheaper, I never saw a message system made by osclass team, I never saw a newsletter system build by osClass team....


Best Regards

Well clearly, Osclass team were/are great for programming and developing but not for business.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 11:23:08 pm
I think osclass team focus since the beginning in selling Plugins and themes from other developpers… With this only get the 10% of margin... Why not develop your own, and only your own... Why I will buy a plugin or theme from a developer in osclass market if I can buy it cheaper, I never saw a message system made by osclass team, I never saw a newsletter system build by osClass team....


Best Regards

They actually get 30% of the plugin price.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 11:32:18 pm
I have an idea about how the update system would work.

Latest Osclass is available at a certain GitHub repository. Every time a bigger change is made, we update a file called e.g. "last-version.txt".
In Osclass admin, we check the Osclass version and then connect to repo and check it's "last-version.txt".
If "last-version" > "current-version" we perform an update by fetching changes from GitHub.

"How will you do that with PHP?"
Well, I came to this idea when I found git-php, a Git library for PHP: https://github.com/czproject/git-php
Some Git code (can be adapted to PHP with git-php): https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53163258/how-to-compare-and-update-local-repo-with-remote-github-repo

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 11:34:14 pm
I have an idea about how the update system would work.

Latest Osclass is available at a certain GitHub repository. Every time a bigger change is made, we update a file called e.g. "last-version.txt".
In Osclass admin, we check the Osclass version and then connect to repo and check it's "last-version.txt".
If "last-version" > "current-version" we perform an update by fetching changes from GitHub.

"How will you do that with PHP?"
Well, I came to this idea when I found git-php, a Git library for PHP: https://github.com/czproject/git-php
Some Git code (can be adapted to PHP with git-php): https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53163258/how-to-compare-and-update-local-repo-with-remote-github-repo

Regards.

Same can be made with free plugins and themes. I don't know about paid ones though. If they have a private repo, can a password be sent to access it?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 08, 2019, 11:44:33 pm
For premium ones a simple notification can be enough for start, because there will be no centralized system of a sort.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 11:46:57 pm
For premium ones a simple notification can be enough for start, because there will be no centralized system of a sort.

Yes, that would be okay.

I just send a mail to Osclass, asking if they will post an official announcement on Forums. I doubt they'll see it, but I tried...
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 08, 2019, 11:48:25 pm
Now that I finished backing up everything, what is the next step? I have some spare time before going on holidays and want to help as much as I can.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: safeacid on August 09, 2019, 12:02:27 am
Now that I finished backing up everything, what is the next step? I have some spare time before going on holidays and want to help as much as I can.

we know about market.osclass.org
what about other subdomains and main domain
are they also will be OFF ???
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 09, 2019, 12:13:42 am
Now that I finished backing up everything, what is the next step? I have some spare time before going on holidays and want to help as much as I can.

we know about market.osclass.org
what about other subdomains and main domain
are they also will be OFF ???

Not confirmed yet.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: nightfly13 on August 09, 2019, 12:31:24 am
For me is enough... I  don't have nothing else to say....

osClass need to Clarify all situation...

1- osClass market will be closed in 5th September...
2- The site will close???? When???
3- The Forum will close??? When???
4- 3.8.0 Will be the last version of osClass????? Nothing else will be done on core script????
5- They will close all activity... osClass core upgrade??? Forum activity??? Or osclass team still do some kind of things related with osClass???


We need a clear clarification about all aspects of osClass… I think we deserve that, we help during the years buying themes and plugins in their market...

Best Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 09, 2019, 12:43:29 am
For me is enough... I  don't have nothing else to say....

osClass need to Clarify all situation...

1- osClass market will be closed in 5th September...
2- The site will close???? When???
3- The Forum will close??? When???
4- 3.8.0 Will be the last version of osClass????? Nothing else will be done on core script????
5- They will close all activity... osClass core upgrade??? Forum activity??? Or osclass team still do some kind of things related with osClass???


We need a clear clarification about all aspects of osClass… I think we deserve that, we help during the years buying themes and plugins in their market...

Best Regards

1. Yes.
2. Not clarified.
3. Not clarified.
4. As of Osclass Team, no. But other developers are working on their improved Osclass versions.
5. They already stopped making new versions a while ago.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: nightfly13 on August 09, 2019, 01:35:37 am
Quote
4. As of Osclass Team, no. But other developers are working on their improved Osclass versions.

Witch developers??? Not good idea have 2 or 3 Dev Versions.... How we know when a new version is available?????
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 09, 2019, 01:37:07 am
I posted an idea few topis later about a new update system that will look for updates on GitHub (for modified versions).
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 09, 2019, 01:57:53 am
Quote
4. As of Osclass Team, no. But other developers are working on their improved Osclass versions.

Witch developers??? Not good idea have 2 or 3 Dev Versions.... How we know when a new version is available?????

Well this is what i'm afraid of. Several developers, going their own way. While there i already a version to start with on github, that i posted above.

But i guess everyone wants the glory.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 09, 2019, 02:35:28 am
Quote
4. As of Osclass Team, no. But other developers are working on their improved Osclass versions.

Witch developers??? Not good idea have 2 or 3 Dev Versions.... How we know when a new version is available?????

Well this is what i'm afraid of. Several developers, going their own way. While there i already a version to start with on github, that i posted above.

But i guess everyone wants the glory.

Well, we should all agree on which version we want to use and start improving it more.

Give me work and I'll do it. What features do you want to be integrated into the core? I recently made a plugin for User custom fields (still didn't manage to publish it) but I would love to see it in the core.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 09, 2019, 02:45:52 am
@webmods

I'm not a programmer or developer. Right now i'm uploading the version of Navjot Tomer's github, to check how it goes.

I'm uploading it in a demo site that runs 3.8 with plugins.

So here is a first step. Where can we post our findings ? Github ?

I wrote above that "everyone wants the glory". I want to explain what i mean, so people do not take it wrong. There was a question from me about Navjot Tomer's mod at github, if anybody saw that and if it is ok. The reply i got, was that it is ok, since most of the changes Navjot Tomer did were either reported/fixed here or at Osclass github.

Now, again i'm not a programmer, but i'm not BLIND also. The changes Navjot Tomer did, were HUGE. Where are the reports and fixes posted here ? I searched, found zero. Also not at Osclass github. A neglected area there.

So what i already understand is that Navjot Tomer's work is under estimated.

If this project SPLIT in 10 different devs, it will be dead for sure.

imho.



Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 09, 2019, 03:34:46 am
If you have any suggestions of find bugs, post an Issue on his GitHub repo.

(https://i.postimg.cc/prLBF1XV/Screenshot-20190809-013857-Chrome.jpg)
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 09, 2019, 11:10:28 am
I would like to go with navjottamer.

iam in osclass since 2013. osclass is very good cms for classified website. and it was open source, plugins and themes was free.
but some users want advance themes. and they hired from this forum.

that time osclass team considerate on osclass core updates.
after they findout there is lot of transection going on the forum. thay want to take over.
they ban or controlled to sell. they forced to list on osclass market they need 30%.
they not allow us to do pm in form.
when they see the money they forget about the osclass. and they were busy increating own themes and plugins, improve the maket, distribute the payments.
Also they advertised thir own products as "Made by osclass team" which is dump others.  many of good developers (Madhouse, teseo, frostick, drizzlethemes)leaves. i have submit many improvements idea in gihub. they created a voice.osclass.com for it. id dont know where it goes now.

simply there is no osclass team. there is a single man behind it. the team was destroyed when the market came. maybe share issue.

 PACKAGES in the market, it so annoying first two pages full of packages no individual product. how can people buy? and they take over the demo of products. whey the dump with default things. and own ads to earn who will buy a theme if there is a demo like this.

now tell me who is the reason?

I agree with you about @navjot. I want to see what @Web-Media will say as they also have a very modified version.

It's interesting that they wanted money so much, that it killed them, and in the end they didn't have enough...

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on August 10, 2019, 01:10:26 pm
I installed the version of navjottomer for test
and I did not see any differences visually.
The change.log has not been updated since 25/07/2018
I can not have an opinion on this version.
If navjottomer read this post can it provide an updated exchange.log to avoid redundancy

thank you

Hmm! Looks like every individual is going to come up with their own fork of Osclass and abandon it after a few months, leaving the users in a limbo. This will take Osclass to an early grave.

When too much of rubbish get in there, it will be extremely hard to resolve issues without the support from that fork developer. I prefer using Osclass as it is and use required plugins as needed. This way I have only security issues to worry about with the original core and tweak the plugins as I go.


Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 10, 2019, 01:21:24 pm

Hmm! Looks like every individual is going to come up with their own fork of Osclass and abandon it after a few months, leaving the users in a limbo. This will take Osclass to an early grave.

When too much of rubbish get in there, it will be extremely hard to resolve issues without the support from that fork developer. I prefer using Osclass as it is and use required plugins as needed. This way I have only security issues to worry about with the original core and tweak the plugins as I go.


Correct.

BUT Navjot's fork is not like that, it  started 2 years back and only contains fixes/changes that were long awaited and needed.

Also it seems to be 100% compatible (for now) with stock 3.8.

But your point is right. Everybody will start now to fork it, make changes and that will not be good.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 10, 2019, 01:27:44 pm

Hmm! Looks like every individual is going to come up with their own fork of Osclass and abandon it after a few months, leaving the users in a limbo. This will take Osclass to an early grave.

When too much of rubbish get in there, it will be extremely hard to resolve issues without the support from that fork developer. I prefer using Osclass as it is and use required plugins as needed. This way I have only security issues to worry about with the original core and tweak the plugins as I go.


Correct.

BUT Navjot's fork is not like that, it  started 2 years back and only contains fixes/changes that were long awaited and needed.

Also it seems to be 100% compatible (for now) with stock 3.8.

But your point is right. Everybody will start now to fork it, make changes and that will not be good.

Yes, it seems everyone wants to make their own version. But his version is awesome and we should use it as a base. Everyone who wants to contribute, fork it, add your features or whatever and make a pull request.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 10, 2019, 01:45:56 pm

Yes, it seems everyone wants to make their own version. But his version is awesome and we should use it as a base. Everyone who wants to contribute, fork it, add your features or whatever and make a pull request.

But we must know what Osclass team wants to make with Osclass. Don't we ?

After that we must somehow "agree" on the fork of Navjot and go on.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 10, 2019, 01:58:10 pm
Guys. You know that saying, if it ain't broken, don't fix it?
If the script is ok and works ok, why this security panic? Don't you see that everything that is newer is less reliable and more into producing money?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 10, 2019, 02:29:55 pm
Guys. You know that saying, if it ain't broken, don't fix it?
If the script is ok and works ok, why this security panic? Don't you see that everything that is newer is less reliable and more into producing money?

Well it is old, isn't it ?

Also it must be un-dressed from Osclass Market, unless Osclass team will do it (but no information is provided).

Also yes, if ain't broken etc is correct sometimes, BUT if something is also static for a long time it actually dies at some point.

Does Osclass run ok with PHP 7.3 ? PHP 7.4 ? Just an example.


Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 10, 2019, 02:33:18 pm
Go pay a team of developers to make you a new one then:)
That will cost you 2-3-4-5k euros.
Then after one year, some guy will come and say to you that it's old. It's on php7.4 instead of 7.5 :)
Then you will understand that everything is just marketing.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 10, 2019, 02:38:28 pm
Go pay a team of developers to make you a new one then:)
That will cost you 2-3-4-5k euros.
Then after one year, some guy will come and say to you that it's old. It's on php7.4 instead of 7.5 :)
Then you will understand that everything is just marketing.

Not sure what you try to say. You say to stay at 3.8 stock and go on with our lifes ?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 10, 2019, 02:38:38 pm
And not to mention that if you start a project like this on php7.4 until the project is finished and in production, it might take 1 year. By then a new version of php will be available making your newly finished project, old before you even use it:)
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 10, 2019, 02:40:16 pm
Yes. fix the bugs in it and the possible security issues and it's fine.

When a script has no bugs becomes useless for it's developers because they can't work on it anymore. So the marketing steps in. It's old. It's not good. etc.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 10, 2019, 02:47:04 pm
And not to mention that if you start a project like this on php7.4 until the project is finished and in production, it might take 1 year. By then a new version of php will be available making your newly finished project, old before you even use it:)

Why start a new project, while we have a volunteer guy (Navjot) who did all the dirty work without any financial interest ? And it appears also that is not new at this, i see Tuffindia, Tuffclassifieds etc etc. So he knows what he is doing.


Anyway, everyone is entitled to his own opinion. No one forces anyone to update/upgrade or follow any new fork.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 10, 2019, 02:58:54 pm
Guys. You know that saying, if it ain't broken, don't fix it?
If the script is ok and works ok, why this security panic? Don't you see that everything that is newer is less reliable and more into producing money?

Well it is old, isn't it ?

Also it must be un-dressed from Osclass Market, unless Osclass team will do it (but no information is provided).

Also yes, if ain't broken etc is correct sometimes, BUT if something is also static for a long time it actually dies at some point.

Does Osclass run ok with PHP 7.3 ? PHP 7.4 ? Just an example.

I started with removing all ties from Market on @navjottomer's fork and I'll finish soon.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on August 10, 2019, 06:03:53 pm
Guys. You know that saying, if it ain't broken, don't fix it?
If the script is ok and works ok, why this security panic? Don't you see that everything that is newer is less reliable and more into producing money?

Well it is old, isn't it ?

Also it must be un-dressed from Osclass Market, unless Osclass team will do it (but no information is provided).

Also yes, if ain't broken etc is correct sometimes, BUT if something is also static for a long time it actually dies at some point.

Does Osclass run ok with PHP 7.3 ? PHP 7.4 ? Just an example.

I started with removing all ties from Market on @navjottomer's fork and I'll finish soon.


I will not rush into things just yet, I will wait for Osclass team to come up with a final statement.

Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 11, 2019, 12:21:45 pm
Akismet is hosted on osclass server and should be removed?

#: oc-admin/themes/modern/settings/spamNbots.php:45
msgid "Akismet is a hosted web service that saves you time by automatically detecting comment and trackback spam. It's hosted on our servers, but we give you access to it through plugins and our API."

But it seems to point to rest.akismet.com (oc-includes/Akismet.class.php), so no link to osclass. Any opinions?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: dev101 on August 11, 2019, 12:40:04 pm
No :)
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 11, 2019, 12:47:44 pm
thanks dev101:)
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 02:08:13 pm
What is happening with Dis and his posts??? All our replies got removed and now it's locked. I don't trust that guy.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 02:12:29 pm
And someone is removing links to documentation and forum archive that's been posted.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dis on August 13, 2019, 02:14:16 pm
And someone is removing links to documentation and forum archive that's been posted.
Read the forum rules.
And be careful, what .. what are you writing.
Pirates copy the forum and post it on another resource. Is that right?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 02:15:47 pm
Well they were moderated i guess. But some from Osclass must explain to us why links come and go, posts are deleted, locked etc etc.

So we know and be careful.

Or we must find some other area to talk.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 02:17:09 pm
If they can moderate the posts then they can as well reply to our questions. We need a place where whe can discuss freely.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 02:18:39 pm
And someone is removing links to documentation and forum archive that's been posted.
Read the forum rules.
And be careful, what .. what are you writing.
Pirates copy the forum and post it on another resource. Is that right?

But is was YOUR topic that got moderated and locked, right ?

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dis on August 13, 2019, 02:20:04 pm
If they can moderate the posts then they can as well reply to our questions. We need a place where whe can discuss freely.
Discuss this one. But copying the forum, and giving a link to the copied resource .... this is not correct.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 02:21:43 pm
If they can moderate the posts then they can as well reply to our questions. We need a place where whe can discuss freely.

Well the thing is that any "new" area (aka forum apparently) will ALSO be full of people that want to "lead" the future of Osclass, so they will have to be moderated also.

As i wrote from the 1st day, everybody want the glory. For me, they don't give a flying shit about Osclass, they only want to earn something. Money, traffic, who knows and who cares.

Carefull we must be (Yoda talking).  :)
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 02:22:00 pm
It's a fre*king backup. A backup that will help the community if Forums go down.

And what about your topic with all the replies that dissapeared?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 02:24:23 pm
It's a fre*king backup. A backup that will help the community if Forums go down.


All that would not be needed, if some simple statement from Osclass was made. So we know. What will happen to Osclass and the Forum.

No need to be 10 pages long, a few lines would be enough.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 02:32:32 pm

you can not create a new market on github

we need to continue some how isn't ?

We don't need a new market. And continue in a proper and legit way.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 02:34:32 pm

you can not create a new market on github

we need to continue some how isn't ?

We don't need a new market. And continue in a proper and legit way.

Developers need to sell their plugins, don't they? I will have a few free plugins posted on that market.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 02:36:57 pm
If he's fishy, you are too, @Dis. No info about your locked posts and replies removed.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 02:40:25 pm
I talked to @safeacid a lot and I know his intentions. You can't judge people by their WHOIS records, just as you said about me and my "worst hosting".

From what facts must i judge ? From the sayings of everyone ? Not so. I'm a professional Wordpress webmaster for years now.

As for your hosting, just search for Hetzner DE and Hetzner Africa. No need for me. All the spammers and hackers use Hetzner. MOST of my attacks in my Wordpress site i maintain for customers (a lot) are hit from Hetzner. All our complaints in vain. That is why a LOT of their IPs are BLOCKED from several lists.

As for the Osclass 4 you, i wouldn't trust any one hosted in Esthonia, a new domain, totally hidden by a Panama company.

NO Professional will even consider that.

You seem like a good guy and legit, don't let things like that fool you.
 
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 02:54:03 pm
@safeacid is just trying to help. And I got full access to his server...
BTW his account just got banned.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: raz0r on August 13, 2019, 03:05:01 pm
@safeacid An envious fool and a pirate! He thinks that he can do something, but in reality he is the only thing that can do this, so he can upload other people's plugins to his wretched forum)))
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 03:14:07 pm
And who are you to say that? A guy with 1 post...
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 03:15:15 pm
It seems like someone here is trying to make us fight... That won't help Osclass.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 03:30:31 pm
It seems like someone here is trying to make us fight... That won't help Osclass.

Than's god these days it is SO EASY to figure out legic people and the others.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: raz0r on August 13, 2019, 03:40:30 pm
And who are you to say that? A guy with 1 post...
Maybe I have only ONE post on THIS forum, but for all the time I created more plugins and made improvements on the client's website than you wrote posts on ALL forums))))))
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 03:54:08 pm
Whatever. My posts are no spam. I help people around here. Just as I sell plugins and do freelance web development.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 03:54:51 pm
It seems like someone here is trying to make us fight... That won't help Osclass.

Than's god these days it is SO EASY to figure out legic people and the others.

I do not know what to expect from all this. The situation keeps getting worse...
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dis on August 13, 2019, 03:59:09 pm
I do not know what to expect from all this. The situation keeps getting worse...
You do it yourself.
No need to sow panic. No need to advertise copied forums and provide links to them.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dis on August 13, 2019, 04:10:09 pm
For the project to develop further, the best solution would be to continue updating the Osclass by the Osclass team.
But they certainly need to earn money.
All the big open source projects make money in one way or another.
Perhaps they should increase the commission in the Market or find other solutions.
I do not mind paying more commission if necessary for the development of the project.
Maybe we can somehow help more.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dis on August 13, 2019, 04:10:56 pm
Whatever. My posts are no spam. I help people around here. Just as I sell plugins and do freelance web development.
Are these plugins on the Official Market? Can we look at them?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 04:21:22 pm
For the project to develop further, the best solution would be to continue updating the Osclass by the Osclass team.
But they certainly need to earn money.
All the big open source projects make money in one way or another.
Perhaps they should increase the commission in the Market or find other solutions.
I do not mind paying more commission if necessary for the development of the project.
Maybe we can somehow help more.

We already talked about that in the topic before Osclass announced the closing. Nothing will stop them.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 04:31:25 pm
Whatever. My posts are no spam. I help people around here. Just as I sell plugins and do freelance web development.
Are these plugins on the Official Market? Can we look at them?

My post got deleted. Woo hoo. Yes, they are.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dis on August 13, 2019, 04:32:32 pm
Whatever. My posts are no spam. I help people around here. Just as I sell plugins and do freelance web development.
Sorry, These are too simple plugins: Phone Number Login and Comment (or not?).
I don’t understand how are you going to do development Osclass at all.
You still have to learn for a long time.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 04:38:02 pm
Whatever. My posts are no spam. I help people around here. Just as I sell plugins and do freelance web development.
Sorry, These are too simple plugins: Phone Number Login and Comment (or not?).
I don’t understand how are you going to do development Osclass at all.
You still have to learn for a long time.

These are the ones I published. As I can't post my portfolio, here's a small list of some stuff I did:

EuPago payments plugin,
Banners plugin,
User review plugin,
User OTP verification,
User photo verification,
Notifications plugin,
Friends plugin,
Groups plugin,
Blog plugin,
User story plugin (like Instagram),
Google maps plugin with radius search,
Checkbox groups plugin,
Profile picture plugin with image crop/rotate/resize and verification system for admin,
Osclass webview app with a lot of custom functionalities
etc.

All that work was custom for clients and therefore is not published.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 04:39:17 pm
And of course I have 1000 posts on this forum while at least half of them are helping the users.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 04:41:06 pm
If you don't trust me, sorry. I think I'm well known here, and not for spam and such **** but for real stuff.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 04:46:32 pm
Whatever. My posts are no spam. I help people around here. Just as I sell plugins and do freelance web development.
Sorry, These are too simple plugins: Phone Number Login and Comment (or not?).
I don’t understand how are you going to do development Osclass at all.
You still have to learn for a long time.

And why do you care about that ? Leave this guy alone. At least he is willing to help the community. You have 20 posts for 5 years now.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: raz0r on August 13, 2019, 05:00:58 pm
And of course I have 1000 posts on this forum while at least half of them are helping the users.
Man, I looked at your site! Do you know what is the most interesting? Yes, the fact that your customers use Dis's templates and plugins on their sites! But not yours!
Is it real strange? It seems to me that buyers have already made their choice!

And you can be proud of yours "1000 messages" on this forum)))
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 05:05:48 pm
And of course I have 1000 posts on this forum while at least half of them are helping the users.
Man, I looked at your site! Do you know what is the most interesting? Yes, the fact that your customers use Dis's templates and plugins on their sites! But not yours!
Is it real strange? It seems to me that buyers have already made their choice!

And you can be proud of its "1000 messages" on this forum)))

I recommend Violet and Eva themes to each one of my customers. I love themes by @Dis, but not his personality. Same with you.
I'm a bad at front-end and I don't want to make my own theme. If I wanted to, I would do it years ago.

Would you like to show your work? Where are your themes and plugins and how did you help the community? Except this spamming and trolling.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 05:06:45 pm
Whatever. My posts are no spam. I help people around here. Just as I sell plugins and do freelance web development.
Sorry, These are too simple plugins: Phone Number Login and Comment (or not?).
I don’t understand how are you going to do development Osclass at all.
You still have to learn for a long time.

And why do you care about that ? Leave this guy alone. At least he is willing to help the community. You have 20 posts for 5 years now.

Thank you, @Dimal.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: raz0r on August 13, 2019, 05:11:53 pm
I recommend Violet and Eva themes to each one of my customers. I love themes by @Dis, but not his personality. Same with you.
I'm a bad at front-end and I don't want to make my own theme. If I wanted to, I would do it years ago.

Oh yeah!!! Does the "Ultimate Messages" plugin used on your clients website also belong to the frontend? (like a templates)
You master twirl your tongue and nothing else)))

Thank you for raising my mood, see you later))
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 05:17:11 pm
I don't make whole Osclass sites (except mine), I do custom plugins. I was hired to do user review plugin, why would I made a messaging plugin then, or a payments plugin? Yes, one client of mine has a payment plugin from @Dis, not a problem. @Dis earned the money, not me.

People like you are scumbag that have nothing else to do so they harass people who talk about real stuff.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dis on August 13, 2019, 06:47:51 pm
These are the ones I published. As I can't post my portfolio, here's a small list of some stuff I did:

EuPago payments plugin,
Banners plugin,
User review plugin,
User OTP verification,
User photo verification,
Notifications plugin,
Friends plugin,
Groups plugin,
Blog plugin,
User story plugin (like Instagram),
Google maps plugin with radius search,
Checkbox groups plugin,
Profile picture plugin with image crop/rotate/resize and verification system for admin,
Osclass webview app with a lot of custom functionalities
etc.
I do not see all of these plugins in the Market. And this is not very good.
Since I myself develop themes and plugins, from the very beginning of the opening of the Market.
There are two main reasons:
1. The code contains many errors and plugins are not allowed into the Market.
2. Plugin code copied from plugins of other authors.

About Messages from Forum:
"1000 messages" on this forum -  it says nothing in itself.
Perhaps you have a lot of free time? And you have nothing to do?

And self-important. I was very surprised when I looked at your portfolio.
You write a lot about your developments. But in your portfolio for some reason, many images of my themes Fino, Violet, Eva.
(https://prnt.sc/os3ng5)
(https://osclass-pro.com/en/marketimages/2127.jpg)
(https://osclass-pro.com/en/marketimages/2128.jpg)
(https://osclass-pro.com/en/marketimages/2129.jpg)
You show in your portfolio - MY THEMES ! WOW!!!
How can you explain this?
Do you pass them off as yours? And are you selling?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 07:09:38 pm
DIS & razor you have HIGHJACKED this topic.

We don't care about all that, we care about going ON. Open some other topic and feel free to spam in there.



Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dis on August 13, 2019, 07:54:49 pm
DIS & razor you have HIGHJACKED this topic.
We don't care about all that, we care about going ON. Open some other topic and feel free to spam in there.
Who writes spam?
The problem is that people who engage in piracy want to support and update the Osclass.
This should not be. This should be done by honest, and most importantly, experienced developers.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 07:57:11 pm
@Dis, you have successfull lost atleast one customer.

1st - these plugins are made for specific clients, I won't publish them. I won't make a plugin for a client for 100€ and sell it on Market for 20$.

2nd - no, I help people around here and build trust in my customers. Unlike you, you just showed how big **** of a person you are.

3rd - those sites use your themes per my recommendation. I state nowhere I made them. My clients bought those themes from Osclass Market and I can prove it.

4rd -  GTFO

DIS & razor you have HIGHJACKED this topic.

We don't care about all that, we care about going ON. Open some other topic and feel free to spam in there.

Fully agree and I refuse to reply to their posts anymore.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 07:59:25 pm
DIS & razor you have HIGHJACKED this topic.
We don't care about all that, we care about going ON. Open some other topic and feel free to spam in there.
Who writes spam?
The problem is that people who engage in piracy want to support and update the Osclass.
This should not be. This should be done by honest, and most importantly, experienced developers.

Believe me I saw the code of some your plugins I bought and it's no where as good as I would expect. No indentation, no comments, use of procedural instead of object-oriented programming, etc.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dis on August 13, 2019, 08:06:30 pm
Believe me I saw the code of some your plugins I bought and it's no where as good as I would expect. No indentation, no comments, use of procedural instead of object-oriented programming, etc.
I do not believe.
It's hard to believe a person who talks about some plugins that you can't buy.
A person who demonstrates my themes as his work.
And the person who violates the rules of the forum(publishes links to copied forum by pirates).
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dis on August 13, 2019, 08:10:19 pm
For those who are interested in real quality support and updating. There is a topic:
https://forums.osclass.org/development/new-updates-and-support-for-osclass-new-osclass-market/ (https://forums.osclass.org/development/new-updates-and-support-for-osclass-new-osclass-market/)
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 13, 2019, 08:43:29 pm
IT guys...."your code is not ok..", "you copy code", " i'm better, you are worse..."

This is why I learned to do it my self and did not trust plugins:)

Dis, if you made a deal with osclass to take over, congratulations.

Any dev that shared info for free has my respects. In this way I learned the firsts steps in webdevelopment. If you are 100% into earning money, opensource is not the place to be. There are many firms that are looking for devs on proprietary projects.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 13, 2019, 08:45:03 pm
Sorry. I duplicated the post by accident.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dis on August 13, 2019, 08:50:27 pm
IT guys...."your code is not ok..", "you copy code", " i'm better, you are worse..."
You're right this is bad.
I didn’t start it. I only posted a poll...
And then a few people started it all.
And I had to answer them.
I do not need to sort things out.
I just wanted to offer a solution.
I want Osclass to live and develop further.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 13, 2019, 08:59:49 pm
Then it's in your (all of you) power to stop this kind of discussios about who is better and who is worse. Agreed?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dis on August 13, 2019, 09:02:06 pm
Then it's in your (all of you) power to stop this kind of discussios about who is better and who is worse. Agreed?
Easily.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 09:05:56 pm
Then it's in your (all of you) power to stop this kind of discussios about who is better and who is worse. Agreed?

Marius it is really simple. Very.

Navjot's work at Github. While you all fight here, he is working daily to update and fix things. Everything else is mumbo-jumbo. Just talk.

New Forums everywhere for Osclass, imaginary projects that we have never seen, etc etc.

The reallity is (for now) Navjot's work. Sorry but this the truth.


Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 13, 2019, 09:20:21 pm
That is no reason for us (or you) to fight here:)

I remember that opencart got criticism online for duplicate code etc etc etc. Still, it was and still is an opensource project that is used by many bussines owners that want a cheap online shop.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 09:28:14 pm
That is no reason for us (or you) to fight here:)

I don't fight with anyone, because i'm just a osclass webmaster in my country.

This is a developers fight or other obscure people.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 09:43:54 pm
Back to real Osclass talk, I will need testers for my modified fork from @navjottomer that removes everything related to the market. I am posting repository link soon.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 09:48:33 pm
Back to real Osclass talk, I will need testers for my modified fork from @navjottomer that removes everything related to the market. I am posting repository link soon.

Do we know if that un-dressing from Osclass market is something 100% legal ? Do we know what Osclass company thinks about that ?

Because it is a big step.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 10:01:05 pm
Back to real Osclass talk, I will need testers for my modified fork from @navjottomer that removes everything related to the market. I am posting repository link soon.

Do we know if that un-dressing from Osclass market is something 100% legal ? Do we know what Osclass company thinks about that ?

Because it is a big step.


It's fully legal. Osclass is licensed under Apache 2.0 - https://github.com/osclass/Osclass/blob/master/licenses.txt

Quote
The Apache License is a permissive free software license written by the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) ... ... Like other free software licenses, the license allows the user of the software the freedom to use the software for any purpose, to distribute it, to modify it, and to distribute modified versions of the software, under the terms of the license, without concern for royalties

Regards.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 10:15:22 pm

It's fully legal. Osclass is licensed under Apache 2.0 - https://github.com/osclass/Osclass/blob/master/licenses.txt



Ok, but i guess they have the right to say something about it, they created it.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on August 13, 2019, 10:17:42 pm
Back to real Osclass talk, I will need testers for my modified fork from @navjottomer that removes everything related to the market. I am posting repository link soon.

Hi folks

I don’t mean any offence.

Isn’t it wise that we all wait for a definitive statement from Osclass before stripping anything off of this script?

All these years, they let us use this wonderful script for free (and sure they will continue to do so) and we don’t want to upset them without knowing what their intentions are at this point in time.

Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 13, 2019, 10:28:24 pm


I don’t mean any offence.

Isn’t it wise that we all wait for a definitive statement from Osclass before stripping anything off of this script?

All these years, they let us use this wonderful script for free (and sure they will continue to do so) and we don’t want to upset them without knowing what their intentions are at this point in time.


Sure, agreed. But they don't say anything about anything.

The least they can do is tell us what the future will be.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 10:37:25 pm
Back to real Osclass talk, I will need testers for my modified fork from @navjottomer that removes everything related to the market. I am posting repository link soon.

Hi folks

I don’t mean any offence.

Isn’t it wise that we all wait for a definitive statement from Osclass before stripping anything off of this script?

All these years, they let us use this wonderful script for free (and sure they will continue to do so) and we don’t want to upset them without knowing what their intentions are at this point in time.

Regards

That's what I thought, @BritWeb. But we asked them a lot and there's been no response. I asked them myself a few times even, nothing...

Everyone can do what he wants with the script - that's the meaning of open source.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: BritWeb on August 13, 2019, 10:39:33 pm
We would like to thank you for your effort and the trust you put in this project throughout the years. Unfortunately, we have not been able to turn this venture into a profitable business.
Osclass, as a free software project, will be accessible and open to everyone as before, so we encourage you to continue developing plugins and themes for all of the users who still rely on our script.

Looking at the above I see no reason to panic that they will abandon the project altogether. I truly believe that they have plans to restructure a few bits and pieces to make the whole thing better. Let's wait and hope for the best.

Regards
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 13, 2019, 10:45:05 pm
We would like to thank you for your effort and the trust you put in this project throughout the years. Unfortunately, we have not been able to turn this venture into a profitable business.
Osclass, as a free software project, will be accessible and open to everyone as before, so we encourage you to continue developing plugins and themes for all of the users who still rely on our script.

Looking at the above I see no reason to panic that they will abandon the project altogether. I truly believe that they have plans to restructure a few bits and pieces to make the whole thing better. Let's wait and hope for the best.

Regards


Yes, I was hoping that they won't abandon the project... But in that case they would answer us, right? Or update the script? Or admins would be active this month...
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: calinbehtuk on August 13, 2019, 10:51:26 pm
Looking at the above I see no reason to panic that they will abandon the project altogether. I truly believe that they have plans to restructure a few bits and pieces to make the whole thing better. Let's wait and hope for the best.

Regards


I don't want to be rude, or this to be misinterpreted but I don't see any of "them", just one guy that moderate this forum and some developers that try to avoid the inevitable.
The major players from osclass team are gone, and if you do some search you will find them active in other projects and you will see that they left osclass.
In my eyes, this is a response about the direction of this project.

But again I don't want to be rude, and everyone can have their own opinion, or they can research an get to the same conclusion.

Or maybe i am wrong! Who knows....
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 14, 2019, 12:01:40 am
Looking at the above I see no reason to panic that they will abandon the project altogether. I truly believe that they have plans to restructure a few bits and pieces to make the whole thing better. Let's wait and hope for the best.

Regards


I don't want to be rude, or this to be misinterpreted but I don't see any of "them", just one guy that moderate this forum and some developers that try to avoid the inevitable.
The major players from osclass team are gone, and if you do some search you will find them active in other projects and you will see that they left osclass.
In my eyes, this is a response about the direction of this project.

But again I don't want to be rude, and everyone can have their own opinion, or they can research an get to the same conclusion.

Or maybe i am wrong! Who knows....

I think you aren't wrong. I've seen a long ago they aren't active in Osclass anymore...

Anyways, pull request that removes Market and upgrade functions completly (no errors) is added: https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass/pull/22
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 14, 2019, 12:57:45 am

I don't want to be rude, or this to be misinterpreted but I don't see any of "them", just one guy that moderate this forum and some developers that try to avoid the inevitable.
The major players from osclass team are gone, and if you do some search you will find them active in other projects and you will see that they left osclass.
In my eyes, this is a response about the direction of this project.

But again I don't want to be rude, and everyone can have their own opinion, or they can research an get to the same conclusion.

Or maybe i am wrong! Who knows....

You got me curious and YES you are correct. Checking tweeter, i see them in other projects very active ....

so ....
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 14, 2019, 11:09:01 am
My fork without ties with Osclass Market has passed all my tests, no errors. @navjottomer merged it into develop branch and it should be released in new version.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: navjottomer on August 14, 2019, 11:44:20 am
Hi Everyone,
I read the thread and found some interesting thoughts. Currently, I don't know what will happen with osclass and with this forum itself.
IF and it's a big IF, this forum goes offline and osclass development continues at the pace it is now, then we may create an alternative( compatible with current osclass ecosystem) from my GitHub repo on which others are also contributing and can contribute.

My Idea about any new Osclass market:
I like to add a market to osclass but I wouldn't even think of selling pro plugins or themes on that market. That is what made conflict on osclass development which was rapidly growing before all this mumbo-jumbo. If there will be any market in my version of osclass then it will be an open market to give inbuilt functionality for installing and updating free plugins from that market (and open repo on GitHub).

If anyone wants to promote themselves than contribute to that market freely and people may buy something from you if they like your contribution.
I have sensed all of this and even posted about this in this forum. My post and thread were deleted and I am not sure if the same happens with this one. Many wonderful developers left osclass community because of these things.
My understanding of an open community is that it should be open in everything and profit shouldn't come before openness and need to trust in the community.
My focus will be to keep osclass or it's alternative open. Currently, there is no big goal now.
But if you are interested in pro plugins or themes in supposedly market than do not even consider my work. I am not against premium plugins or theme ( I too sell one theme) but they shouldn't be sold on the open platform. 

Regards Everyone.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Tetrydy on August 14, 2019, 12:01:02 pm
Hi Everyone,
I read the thread and found some interesting thoughts. Currently, I don't know what will happen with osclass and with this forum itself.
IF and it's a big IF, this forum goes offline and osclass development continues at the pace it is now, then we may create an alternative( compatible with current osclass ecosystem) from my GitHub repo on which others are also contributing and can contribute.

My Idea about any new Osclass market:
I like to add a market to osclass but I wouldn't even think of selling pro plugins or themes on that market. That is what made conflict on osclass development which was rapidly growing before all this mumbo-jumbo. If there will be any market in my version of osclass then it will be an open market to give inbuilt functionality for installing and updating free plugins from that market (and open repo on GitHub).

If anyone wants to promote themselves than contribute to that market freely and people may buy something from you if they like your contribution.
I have sensed all of this and even posted about this in this forum. My post and thread were deleted and I am not sure if the same happens with this one. Many wonderful developers left osclass community because of these things.
My understanding of an open community is that it should be open in everything and profit shouldn't come before openness and need to trust in the community.
My focus will be to keep osclass or it's alternative open. Currently, there is no big goal now.
But if you are interested in pro plugins or themes in supposedly market than do not even consider my work. I am not against premium plugins or theme ( I too sell one theme) but they shouldn't be sold on the open platform. 

Regards Everyone.

 ;D ;D ;D 👍👍👍👍👍
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 14, 2019, 12:14:59 pm
Hi Everyone,
I read the thread and found some interesting thoughts. Currently, I don't know what will happen with osclass and with this forum itself.
IF and it's a big IF, this forum goes offline and osclass development continues at the pace it is now, then we may create an alternative( compatible with current osclass ecosystem) from my GitHub repo on which others are also contributing and can contribute.

My Idea about any new Osclass market:
I like to add a market to osclass but I wouldn't even think of selling pro plugins or themes on that market. That is what made conflict on osclass development which was rapidly growing before all this mumbo-jumbo. If there will be any market in my version of osclass then it will be an open market to give inbuilt functionality for installing and updating free plugins from that market (and open repo on GitHub).

If anyone wants to promote themselves than contribute to that market freely and people may buy something from you if they like your contribution.
I have sensed all of this and even posted about this in this forum. My post and thread were deleted and I am not sure if the same happens with this one. Many wonderful developers left osclass community because of these things.
My understanding of an open community is that it should be open in everything and profit shouldn't come before openness and need to trust in the community.
My focus will be to keep osclass or it's alternative open. Currently, there is no big goal now.
But if you are interested in pro plugins or themes in supposedly market than do not even consider my work. I am not against premium plugins or theme ( I too sell one theme) but they shouldn't be sold on the open platform. 

Regards Everyone.

I am definitely interested in this. I have a few plugins I would like to add... Regarding the deleted thread, please check the mail I've sent you.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 14, 2019, 01:42:36 pm
Hi Everyone,
I read the thread and found some interesting thoughts. Currently, I don't know what will happen with osclass and with this forum itself.
IF and it's a big IF, this forum goes offline and osclass development continues at the pace it is now, then we may create an alternative( compatible with current osclass ecosystem) from my GitHub repo on which others are also contributing and can contribute.

My Idea about any new Osclass market:
I like to add a market to osclass but I wouldn't even think of selling pro plugins or themes on that market. That is what made conflict on osclass development which was rapidly growing before all this mumbo-jumbo. If there will be any market in my version of osclass then it will be an open market to give inbuilt functionality for installing and updating free plugins from that market (and open repo on GitHub).

If anyone wants to promote themselves than contribute to that market freely and people may buy something from you if they like your contribution.
I have sensed all of this and even posted about this in this forum. My post and thread were deleted and I am not sure if the same happens with this one. Many wonderful developers left osclass community because of these things.
My understanding of an open community is that it should be open in everything and profit shouldn't come before openness and need to trust in the community.
My focus will be to keep osclass or it's alternative open. Currently, there is no big goal now.
But if you are interested in pro plugins or themes in supposedly market than do not even consider my work. I am not against premium plugins or theme ( I too sell one theme) but they shouldn't be sold on the open platform. 


Personally i do not want to be tied up with ANY kind of such Market. Paid, Free, whatever. Maybe such a market could be just a plugin and if anyone wants to use it, be optional.

There are many reasons for that, security is one of them.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 14, 2019, 01:53:02 pm
Hi Everyone,
I read the thread and found some interesting thoughts. Currently, I don't know what will happen with osclass and with this forum itself.
IF and it's a big IF, this forum goes offline and osclass development continues at the pace it is now, then we may create an alternative( compatible with current osclass ecosystem) from my GitHub repo on which others are also contributing and can contribute.

My Idea about any new Osclass market:
I like to add a market to osclass but I wouldn't even think of selling pro plugins or themes on that market. That is what made conflict on osclass development which was rapidly growing before all this mumbo-jumbo. If there will be any market in my version of osclass then it will be an open market to give inbuilt functionality for installing and updating free plugins from that market (and open repo on GitHub).

If anyone wants to promote themselves than contribute to that market freely and people may buy something from you if they like your contribution.
I have sensed all of this and even posted about this in this forum. My post and thread were deleted and I am not sure if the same happens with this one. Many wonderful developers left osclass community because of these things.
My understanding of an open community is that it should be open in everything and profit shouldn't come before openness and need to trust in the community.
My focus will be to keep osclass or it's alternative open. Currently, there is no big goal now.
But if you are interested in pro plugins or themes in supposedly market than do not even consider my work. I am not against premium plugins or theme ( I too sell one theme) but they shouldn't be sold on the open platform. 


Personally i do not want to be tied up with ANY kind of such Market. Paid, Free, whatever. Maybe such a market could be just a plugin and if anyone wants to use it, be optional.

There are many reasons for that, security is one of them.

The Market would be just a site where you can download the products. It would not be connected with the script. A plugin that would be optional and would offer update support would be nice.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 14, 2019, 02:34:13 pm
Another proof that OSC Team has given up - osclass.uservoice.com is forbidden. It's a site where users would add their suggestions for the script. I would visit it often to get ideas for premium plugins...
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 14, 2019, 07:02:15 pm
@navjottomer  You think just like me. Open is open and free:) just like ubuntu.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: WEBmods on August 14, 2019, 08:31:24 pm
@navjottomer  You think just like me. Open is open and free:) just like ubuntu.

I prefer Linux Mint. ;D
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Resta on August 15, 2019, 01:12:05 am
Thanks to Navjot, Patrick (webmods) and any other developers involved with and contributing to osclass git to keep it going and last but not least thanks to the osclass team - whether or not they choose to continue further development.

However, it would be nice to know by the end of this week from osclass team whether or not they plan to release update to the script (minus all the market dependencies) so we can know whether to wait for the update or start updating our sites now.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 15, 2019, 10:48:55 am

Anyways, pull request that removes Market and upgrade functions completly (no errors) is added: https://github.com/navjottomer/Osclass/pull/22

I just had a look on the changes.. huge change list:) I was thinking of doing the mods manually to my osclass, but for now, my surgically made changes that don't allow the code you removed to be used, satisfy my needs:)
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 15, 2019, 12:42:47 pm
I will continue my life with osclass at github.

Sick and tired to read posts about people that want to "save" Osclass by creating a forum and a market and a rocket for Osclass.

Finally Osclass will have 100 forums for it, all empty, with the admins faking new users.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 15, 2019, 12:45:37 pm
God save us from all those who want to save Osclass.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: navjottomer on August 15, 2019, 04:40:38 pm
Slight overreaction from everyone.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 17, 2019, 02:31:20 am
Slight overreaction from everyone.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: jp on August 17, 2019, 07:32:51 pm
Hello everyone

I've read a lot about Osclass and wish it didn't close!
Will it close for lack of money or is it for another reason?
Why does a company in Spain sell the products in dollars and not in euros?
Check out these sales:

Osclass Payments Pro -> 29 * 1304 = $ 37 816
Gum Theme -> 20 * 1304 = $ 26,080
Email Reminder -> 29 * 488 = $ 14 152

Etc etc etc ..................

I think the main reason is not money.
We have to think of all the hypotheses and not just one!

Greetings to all
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Resta on August 17, 2019, 11:35:02 pm
That is the money earned from several years on total sales. In European countries that money isn't enough to run this as a business - there are taxes on those sales, rent, bills to pay and if there is a team some salary for them or profits left.
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: buninsan on August 17, 2019, 11:55:14 pm
O_o
https://osclass.org/
Osclass » Error
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 18, 2019, 01:10:16 am
O_o
https://osclass.org/
Osclass » Error

The end is near:)
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: joecoolll on August 18, 2019, 02:31:52 am
the way i see it is Mr osclass has enough money, this platform runs by itself putting money in his bank and he has other projects to profitize from.

or he's died, which would be sad but could be a reality.






also


osclass will die if Mr osclass has gone and the devil admin take over and banns all the best devs to take over himself ..... think about it, or not, ur choice.








me
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 18, 2019, 02:32:24 pm
O_o
https://osclass.org/
Osclass » Error

The end is near:)

Don't rush. Everything is back online. A server glitch apparently.

Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: marius-ciclistu on August 18, 2019, 03:23:43 pm
I reported 2 issues yesterday evening. No replies yet here in the  forums..
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: HGcom on August 19, 2019, 07:58:47 pm
OSCLASS is a very good CMS.
Why thery want close it?
Title: Re: Stop ‘Osclass Project’ dying
Post by: Dimal on August 19, 2019, 09:29:14 pm
OSCLASS is a very good CMS.
Why thery want close it?

Osclass is not shutting down, Market is. For now that is.